Comments Thread For: Carl Frampton vs. Leo Santa Cruz CompuBox Punch Stats

[BIGPOPPAPUMP]

Carl Frampton landed the harder punches and landed 46% of his power shots. Leo Santa Cruz averaged 21 of 83 landed per round. 402 of their 497 combined landed punches were power shots. Santa Cruz landed 25% of his power shots after landing 47% in his previous 9 fights.

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[boxingitis]

Why do judges care about percentage. If one trows one punch and laded its 100%. Does he win. What im seeing is Cruz landed more punches. He won the popular vote, but not electoral college vote.

[!! Shawn]

I think this speaks more to the lack of quality in LSC opponents than it does to how good frampton is.

[!! Shawn]

Why do judges care about percentage. If one trows one punch and laded its 100%. Does he win. What im seeing is Cruz landed more punches. He won the popular vote, but not electoral college vote.

Are you insane? That was a clear win for Frampton.

[eternalfighter]

So according to compubox Santa Cruz landed about 15 less "powershots", landed twice as many jabs and landed more punches over all and he was the champion!...as for whos punches were cleaner and more "damaging", well thats a matter of perception. I thought both gave and took and their faces reflected it.

[sterilizer]

I agree that in the first 4-5 rounds Frampton was more powerful, accurate and dangerous than Santa Cruz. But from around the 5th to the end of the fight, Frampton lost endurance and power, and that's where Santa Cruz, slowly but surely, started to be the more powerful and dangerous fighter. Several times he rocked Frampton real bad and I believe that any other boxer less strong and iron-chinned than Frampton, would have been knocked down. But even with one or even two knock downs in favor of Santa Cruz, he would have still lost by majority decision, due to that clown sold-out Irish judge who "saw it" a 117-111 for Frampton and the other judge which I assume was American, who gave it 116-112 to Frampton, which was also inaccurate IMO. In all fairness, a draw would have been the more fair result. An unanimous 115-113 in favor of any of the two, or a 114-114 draw should have been a fair result, because as I mentioned, Frampton dominated most of the first half, but then gassed out and then Santa Cruz took over the last half, where Frampton had to clinch him repeatedly to avoid more damage, and his punches were way less powerful than at the beginning of the bout. A very entertaining and exciting match nonetheless, two great warriors that went out there TO FIGHT, as it should be!

[MDPopescu]

Of course it was a matter of "perception"...
... Leo got caught badly in the second round by that left hook on the temple and, later on, he looked significantly more "gun-shy" as compared to his usual ring performances...

Leo "won" the jab stats and, because of the jabs, he also won the total punches landed stats... Frampton, instead, "won" the power punches stats (7-5; 206-191 respectively)...

[TJ highway]

Santa Cruz, who lost his belt via majority decision, indeed owns the right to a rematch. It’s possible for the fighters to take interim bouts, and that’s likely after such a grueling affair. But after that, if and when Santa Cruz exercises his right to a return bout, the second encounter must take place.

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[-PBP-]

Why do judges care about percentage. If one trows one punch and laded its 100%. Does he win. What im seeing is Cruz landed more punches. He won the popular vote, but not electoral college vote.

That's how amateur boxing is scored. In the pros it's about meaningful punches . Those that stop you in your tracks knock you off your feet and echo throughout the arena.

[sunny31]

That's how amateur boxing is scored. In the pros it's about meaningful punches . Those that stop you in your tracks knock you off your feet and echo throughout the arena.

This is correct, all main points of scoring criteria have to be considered but it is important in a close fight where both guys landed roughly the same that you consider the guy that was landing harder, so many on here don't know how to score fights, or they are biased or both.

In terms of the fight - I don't read too much into compubox because it has been proven to be quite inaccurate, more often than not it gives an indicator to the general trend of a fight, but shouldn't be used as conclusive proof of the winner or loser, especially in a close fight. I have seen quite a few bitter Santa Cruz fans try to justify him as the winner citing compubox, if I was playing devil's advocate here, and entertain compubox for a minute. Yes Santa Cruz landed more jabs, and more punches overall, but there isn't much in it. Furthermore - Frampton outlanded Santa Cruz in power overall, and in 7 out of the 12 rounds. Those two stats are far more important than Santa Cruz landing 30 more jabs in a 12 round fight.

Now if you consider that 7-5 Frampton was probably the most common scorecard on boxing scribes, websites, etc (although funnily none of the 3 judges had it), that pretty much aligns with the power punch stats.

Again not that I am a fan of compubox in any way, but if you are going to use it Santa Cruz fans, it doesn't really support your argument!

Lastly if you look at the fight overall, Santa Cruz was the one who was wobbled in the fight, Frampton also stiffened his legs in the 5th round with a counter right hand, which a lot of people didn't pick up on. Frampton was the puncher of the two. On the flip side of the coin, Santa Cruz was never really able to hurt or discourage Frampton in any way with his power, which actually surprised me. Even when he landed good clean combo's or singles, Frampton normally stepped back up to the plate more or less straight away. Santa Cruz was fresher at the end of the fight, Frampton was more tired for sure, but all that means is that Frampton paced the fight better, and Santa Cruz didn't let it all hang out, but then again he wasn't allowed to because at times, he was out-thought and out-skilled in there. It was also the first time in his career that he was in against a guy who could hurt him if he was too reckless, it changes things.

It was a close fight - anyone saying otherwise is either biased or doesn't know how to score fights, but when you consider the above its hard to make a case for Santa Cruz winning 7 rounds. I could see maybe a draw, had that happened it would have been a lucky escape for Leo.

I had it 7-5 Frampton

Round 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 9, 12 Frampton

Round 4, 6, 7, 10, 11 Santa Cruz.

Rounds 4, 8, 11, 12 all very close.

Santa Cruz was shading round 2, but after he got hurt, it swung it to Frampton.

Good fight.