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Clown? Are you looking in the mirror again?
Make me teach you something. While the urine collector was there for Lance Armstrong to collect samples, they distracted him enough to smuggle and use an IV to mask his PEDs on multiple occassions. For Floyd they did it out in the open and they fell for it!!! Nobody else would have been allowed to do what Floyd did. At least not one that has admitted to making weight easily and has had his weight stable for a decade.
For Floyd, the urine collector had to wait about 6 hours to get the urine. That could have been enough of a time delay to throw off the test but then to make things worse, the urine collector also watched Floyd use 750ml IV that according to USADA and WADA it can be used to mask PEDs.
Partial sample: Who was handling the sample? DCO? Floyd's team? If it was the DCO then what happened when he was pulled away from either the urine sample or Floyd or both!!! If it was Floyd's team, lol, good luck! On top of that, there was 6 hours delay. Lots can happen during that time with the "partial sample". Furthermore, it was mixed with the urine given afterwards. Whooaa!!!
TUE was for the prohibited method: You like to deflect. Floyd used the prohibited method way before he received any kind of approval. Approval came way after the fight. Well, that was the least USADA can do for all the money they got from Floyd's reps. As for your statement that he would not be allowed if it was a positive test for a prohibited substance, well, that was the reason they got to use the IV. There is no other explanation because Floyd was at most very mildly dehydrated. That was corrected after the weigh in after he drank about 600ml. According to studies, USADA and WADA, it would have brought Floyd to a FULLY REHYDRATED STATE!!! USADA allowed all that to happen.
WADA: If you read WADA, for mild dehydration, it states that one must drink orally not use an IV. At least for one that was at most mildly dehydrated(which is actually a stretch - continue reading). At the time of the IV, Floyd was not even mildly dehydtrated since he drank enough already to FULLY REHYDRATE his body!!!!
YES, USADA was in Floyd's back pocket:
a) Both Floyd and Manny did not let the NSAC know about their condition. USADA protected Floyd but threw Manny under the bus!
b) THINK! Why did Lance Armstrong and others have to go thru hoops if they had agencies such as the UCI and many others in their back pocket?
c) Here is USADA statement:
"I don't know how closely you've followed our investigation into cycling, but you saw it used a lot in cycling. Because, putting a bag of saline over 50 ml, for example is the rule, would potentially mask or alter the blood testing that was done." - Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA:
I see I'm touching a nerve
FACT: Floyd used the banned method way before he had USADA come to the rescue.
FACT: Floyd is the only boxer to have received a retroactive TUE where his weight was relatively stable for a decade (Floyd's words) and where he showed no clinical signs (pulse, BP, ....) of being dehydrated as per NSAC examination and that it was not even after a grueling activity and where Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY. Plus, Floyd never told the NSAC about his serious medical condition. If you check out Manny's situation, Floyd's fans were all in agreement that Manny should have .... but not Floyd? WHOAAAA!!!
"Retro TUEs are not handed out like candy" - Victor Conte ... but that seems to be the case for Floyd.
Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.”
Also, WADA "WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."
Please explain why Wada , who has the authority to do so, has not reversed the USADA approved Tue.
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“I don’t get it,” Conte says. “There are strict criteria for the granting of a TUE. You don’t hand them out like Halloween candy. And this sort of IV use is clearly against the rules.
Also, from a medical point of view, if they’re administering what they said they did, it doesn’t make sense to me. There are more effective ways to rehydrate. If you drank ice-cold Celtic seawater, you’d have far greater benefits. It’s very su****ious to me. I can tell you that IV drugs clear an athlete’s system more quickly than drugs that are administered by subcutaneous injection. So why did USADA make this decision? Why did they grant something that’s prohibited?
In my view, that’s something federal law enforcement officials should be asking Travis Tygart.” - Victor Conte
Try adding the above to your video.
Oh, look what we have here. Victor Conte shooting down Floyd, USADA and their shady testing .....
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Pac started juicing after he got his ass kicked by morales.Comment
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This is not about Floyd you muppet, if you want to discuss him make another thread. Otherwise stick to the topic...in fact too late for you, your out.Clown? Are you looking in the mirror again?
Make me teach you something. While the urine collector was there for Lance Armstrong to collect samples, they distracted him enough to smuggle and use an IV to mask his PEDs on multiple occassions. For Floyd they did it out in the open and they fell for it!!! Nobody else would have been allowed to do what Floyd did. At least not one that has admitted to making weight easily and has had his weight stable for a decade.
For Floyd, the urine collector had to wait about 6 hours to get the urine. That could have been enough of a time delay to throw off the test but then to make things worse, the urine collector also watched Floyd use 750ml IV that according to USADA and WADA it can be used to mask PEDs.
Partial sample: Who was handling the sample? DCO? Floyd's team? If it was the DCO then what happened when he was pulled away from either the urine sample or Floyd or both!!! If it was Floyd's team, lol, good luck! On top of that, there was 6 hours delay. Lots can happen during that time with the "partial sample". Furthermore, it was mixed with the urine given afterwards. Whooaa!!!
TUE was for the prohibited method: You like to deflect. Floyd used the prohibited method way before he received any kind of approval. Approval came way after the fight. Well, that was the least USADA can do for all the money they got from Floyd's reps. As for your statement that he would not be allowed if it was a positive test for a prohibited substance, well, that was the reason they got to use the IV. There is no other explanation because Floyd was at most very mildly dehydrated. That was corrected after the weigh in after he drank about 600ml. According to studies, USADA and WADA, it would have brought Floyd to a FULLY REHYDRATED STATE!!! USADA allowed all that to happen.
WADA: If you read WADA, for mild dehydration, it states that one must drink orally not use an IV. At least for one that was at most mildly dehydrated(which is actually a stretch - continue reading). At the time of the IV, Floyd was not even mildly dehydtrated since he drank enough already to FULLY REHYDRATE his body!!!!
YES, USADA was in Floyd's back pocket:
a) Both Floyd and Manny did not let the NSAC know about their condition. USADA protected Floyd but threw Manny under the bus!
b) THINK! Why did Lance Armstrong and others have to go thru hoops if they had agencies such as the UCI and many others in their back pocket?
c) Here is USADA statement:
"I don't know how closely you've followed our investigation into cycling, but you saw it used a lot in cycling. Because, putting a bag of saline over 50 ml, for example is the rule, would potentially mask or alter the blood testing that was done." - Travis Tygart, CEO of USADA:
I see I'm touching a nerve
FACT: Floyd used the banned method way before he had USADA come to the rescue.
FACT: Floyd is the only boxer to have received a retroactive TUE where his weight was relatively stable for a decade (Floyd's words) and where he showed no clinical signs (pulse, BP, ....) of being dehydrated as per NSAC examination and that it was not even after a grueling activity and where Floyd admitted to making weight EASILY. Plus, Floyd never told the NSAC about his serious medical condition. If you check out Manny's situation, Floyd's fans were all in agreement that Manny should have let the NSAC know about his medical condition .... but not Floyd? WHOAAAA!!!
"Retro TUEs are not handed out like candy" - Victor Conte ... but that seems to be the case for Floyd.
Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.”
Also, WADA "WADA has clarified that the use of IV infusions to treat mild dehydration or simply accelerate recovery IS NOT an acceptable medical use of IVs in sport."
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youre projecting, boy. Its 2016. Anomalies in sports? PEDS. PEDs is the word youre looking for, not anomaly. Nice try with the 'what about Mexico' angle, albeit laughable.Look up the word anomaly. Are we going to suspect every successful athlete who comes from a country not renowned for sporting success?
You're argument is essentially that you think asians are genetically inferior so there's no way one could be a p4p star.
Boxing is a niche sport anyway, it's not like Mexicans dominate any sports anyone gives a damn about, other than the lower weights of boxing.
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Projecting what? I'm not Pinoy, nor asian.
It's you that's projecting here, you mean to tell me if Pac was juicing no one else was? you made the initial insinuation Pac was likely juicing because he doesn't come from a country known for producing top level athletes.... but forgot to mention boxing is a niche sport that few care about and has been so for quite some time now. Mexicans aren't particularly athletic or prominent in sports other than lower weight boxing.
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You have to be one of the most ignorant dizzy mfer's I have come across on here for a while. The world champions list is easily accessible online, please look it up yourself I am not going to do it for you. Also stop moving the goal posts in the debate, first you say this is a country with very little boxing pedigree, now that has disproven you say its a country who only has pedigree up to a certain weight. I can tell you that there are a few guys besides Manny that have had titles at 140 or above, so again you are wrong. Of course they are more prominent in the lower weight classes, that could be said of a lot of countries.
You know how I know you are as ignorant as it gets? Because you are ignoring the basis of my comparison with Mexico and the Philippines. So I will repeat myself one last time, hopefully you will understand, I am not comparing their status in professional boxing, I am not saying they are on the same level or even in the same stratosphere, I am saying that they both have some things in common in the way that fighters are developed, relatively they both produce much more success in the pro game than amateur, one of your initial arguments was that the Philippines don't produce top class amateurs and lots of Filipino fighters don't have pedigree from the beginning of their career and I countered that with the fact that most of them go pro early, and because of that they tend to learn on the job and have a penchant for developing later. Which is pretty similar to Mexico, only difference is that Mexico has better trainers, they have greater numbers, boxing is more apart of their culture and history, so they have much more competition, thus greater success and they are more ready once they come to the US or major networks to compete. You know that if a young fighters comes from Mexico with an undefeated record and a reputation, that he is going to be good. You can't say the same about a filipino fighter, but the filipino fighter may have potential to be. Either way both countries tend to push young fighters to enter the pro game early rather than get a proper amateur education, Gerry Penalosa, Manny Pacquiao, Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales all went pro at either 16 or 17, and went on to become multiple world champions. That is where they are similar, Mexico just do it at a far greater frequency and with more success.
Either way dismissing anyone because of what country they come from, and jumping to the conclusion that they must be on PED's is braindead. That is literally a braindead argument, and quite frankly I feel sorry for you as a human being with such a narrow minded perspective. One of the beauties of boxing is that there aren't a lot of barriers to participation, thus why extremely poor countries are able to produce fighters. There are so many examples of one off's or a few gems from different countries down the years that your argument has no validity whatsoever. It is not fact based at all, I have always come back at you with facts based arguments, your argument is speculation, ignorance, and comes across as downright prejudice.
I guess based on your way of thinking that Yao Ming is on PED's, because the average height of Men in China is 5f 7in. John Ruiz must have been on PED's because Mexican's don't produce heavyweights. Or Mikkel Kessler was on PED's because he is from Denmark. Roberto Duran, and Eusebio Pedroza - massive red flag both from Panama, not to mention Duran went to Super Middleweight.
The best thing about our sport is that the next Mike Tyson, Azumah Nelson, Bob Fitzsimmons, Carlos Monzon, Lennox Lewis, Felix Trinidad, Lomachenko, can be born in any country or continent anywhere in the world (and those guys all were). There aren't many if any other sports you can say that about, and I'll be damned if I let you say otherwise.Comment
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