Let's be honest here....Manny took human growth hormone right?...Reasonable debate.

[Lester Tutor]

Usada wasn't on the payroll of Contes PED cheating clients, birdbrain. Are you oblivious to the massive conflict of interest?

first rule about illegal activity and the world of money. if you bribe, it's best to do it with straight cash, not deposits which writers like Hauser can jerk off to as "evidence" that USADA were on a payroll or "overcharging." lol

[Divine Hammer]

You're not disagreeing with me. You mentioned that it was used frequently. Floyd took an IV once. How would that mask a test given the next day, or the previous tests? It doesn't flush PEDs from your system. It masks the signs of it. And you do realize he gave a partial urine sample directly before being administered the IV, right?

WADA also mentions that an IV would be allowed with a TUE and has stated that there are circumstances where an IV is preferable to oral rehydration. Maybe you should admit you don't know what you are talking about.

yes a TUE that floyd got AFTER. why would floyd go through that hassel when he can easily just drink liquids which he did after weigh-in against pac????? and yes there are circumstances when iv therapy is preferable like when drinking liquids is not doable since ur so extremely dehydrated (emergency) hahahahahahahahahahahaha. which wasnt the case for floyd. and never has been. i think u are the one who needs to admit u dont know what u are talking about.

[travestyny]

floyd was caught once for using iv. who knows how long he has been using it to cheat for. the usada testers caught him but chose to look the other way and release a completely damage control statement. again why would floyd require iv therapy when oral rehydration is much more beneficial?? even floyd was seen clearly drinking liquids after pac weigh-in. so what is the iv therapy for??? and with so much saline (which indicates serious masking).

1. Even Hauser has backed down on the "Floyd was caught" scenario. He was not caught using the IV. How did he give the partial sample before the IV if he was "caught" with the IV?

2. So you are going to speculate that he had an IV waiting for him in the back of the MGM Grand?

3. I already answered that WADA states there are situations where rehydration by IV is more beneficial. Obviously if you are dehydrated, you will drink water. Should he not drink water just because an IV is planned later? That's idiotic. For whatever reason, USADA deemed that his condition was worthy of being treated with an IV. There's a huge jump from that to him abusing PED's when he passed 22 tests, don't you think?

[HeroBando]

floyd was caught once for using iv. who knows how long he has been using it to cheat for. the usada testers caught him but chose to look the other way and release a completely damage control statement. again why would floyd require iv therapy when oral rehydration is much more beneficial?? even floyd was seen clearly drinking liquids after pac weigh-in. so what is the iv therapy for??? and with so much saline (which indicates serious masking).

To an outsider it's pretty clear what's going on, doesn't get more suspect. Pac has less evidence going against him, but he likely did Peds too. But he never hired testers privately to deter the other guy from using while doing it himself. Takes a special kind of POS

[travestyny]

yes a TUE that floyd got AFTER. why would floyd go through that hassel when he can easily just drink liquids which he did after weigh-in against pac????? and yes there are circumstances when iv therapy is preferable like when drinking liquids is not doable since ur so extremely dehydrated (emergency) hahahahahahahahahahahaha. which wasnt the case for floyd. and never has been. i think u are the one who needs to admit u dont know what u are talking about.

WADA allowes retroactive TUE's. I suggest you go look at the ISTUE.

So is it your position that only in times of emergency would an IV be allowed under WADA's rules?

I suggest you go do some research and find out that you don't know what you are talking about. I'll wait.

[HeroBando]

first rule about illegal activity and the world of money. if you bribe, it's best to do it with straight cash, not deposits which writers like Hauser can jerk off to as "evidence" that USADA were on a payroll or "overcharging." lol

There's no bribe necessary when you literally have them on your payroll under a private contract.

[travestyny]

There's no bribe necessary when you literally have them on your payroll under a private contract.

So you're arguing that USADA was paid to allow Mayweather to abuse PED's?


Then why would he have to take the IV in the first place?

Why would he need a TUE?

Why would the TUE have been revealed?


Just want to know your opinion on those questions.

[Lester Tutor]

There's no bribe necessary when you literally have them on your payroll under a private contract.

lol. no "private" contract is needed when handing out cash... you think the Feds can't trace things... in fact I don't even think you understand the advantages of the Patriot Act.. and I'm a "turk" as you say...

[Divine Hammer]

WADA allowes retroactive TUE's. I suggest you go look at the ISTUE.

So is it your position that only in times of emergency would an IV be allowed under WADA's rules?

I suggest you go do some research and find out that you don't know what you are talking about. I'll wait.

yes wada themselves say it clearly as a requirement for tue. again why would floyd require iv therapy??? he was clearly drinking liquids after weigh-in. he apparently never struggles to make weight. so why use something like iv therapy which is more for serious case.

[Code Red]

Pacquiao is a dude who till this day is still signed with Bob Arum, still lets roadies and flunkies handle his career, and is still too trusting of other people. With the faith and trust he puts in others it almost certain he used PEDS cause he's likely accept and believe whatever his conditioning coach and doctors tell him or give him....

Floyd on the other hand is way more likely to demand to know everything and anything he's taking. Floyd is controlling whereas Pac is Laissez-Faire