Ortiz and Ustinov Agree to Fight in Aug. or Sept.

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Of course they find the only fringe contender who's older than Ortiz to fight next. Ustinov is a former kickboxer who's just parlaying his craft into his later years in boxing without needing to worry about getting kicked in the head.

Ortiz is as unknown a talent as Joshua to me. So far the 3 notable people he's fought or are about to fight, in this case, are a HW with no power & two guys older than him. Its like maybe they know something about him & are just trying to get this 37 year old to a position to cash out.

I like this fight because it positions him to fight the winner of Wlad-Fury if he wins. If Wlad wins and doesn't retire I expect Wlad to fight him. Wlad has never turned down #1 contenders. If Fury wins I expect him to go all out and push for the Joshua fight because he can make a ton of money and doesn't want anything to do with Ortiz.

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Of course they find the only fringe contender who's older than Ortiz to fight next. Ustinov is a former kickboxer who's just parlaying his craft into his later years in boxing without needing to worry about getting kicked in the head.

Ortiz is as unknown a talent as Joshua to me. So far the 3 notable people he's fought or are about to fight, in this case, are a HW with no power & two guys older than him. Its like maybe they know something about him & are just trying to get this 37 year old to a position to cash out.

well it's not as if the top guys are begging to fight him

they have to take what they can get. chasing a mandatory spot makes sense for such a dangerous fighter with such little upside

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I like this fight because it positions him to fight the winner of Wlad-Fury if he wins. If Wlad wins and doesn't retire I expect Wlad to fight him. Wlad has never turned down #1 contenders. If Fury wins I expect him to go all out and push for the Joshua fight because he can make a ton of money and doesn't want anything to do with Ortiz.

If Klitschko beats Fury & decides to fight Ortiz that'll tell me he thinks Ortiz ain't **** cuz he's always fought his bs #1 contenders & stretched out the threatening one vs Fury (& tried to put him in a bouncy castle ring). I suspect Klitschko retires win or lose. He should & I hope he does anyway.

If Fury wins I definitely expect him to go for the Wilder/Povetkin winner or Joshua or maybe even Haye if Haye does something impressive enough in the third quarter after this next bs fight he has scheduled. I understand this fight with Ustinov will be for an important position belt wise for Ortiz, but him vs anyone holds lil to no appeal still & he's beaten no one & in a justly ran boxing world wouldn't deserve a title shot after beating two guys older then him & a cat who can't punch. So I understand what he's doing & more power to GBP & Ortiz for taking that route, but if he's bypassed I think he's rightly bypassed cuz he doesn't deserve a title shot.

[Eff Pandas]

well it's not as if the top guys are begging to fight him

they have to take what they can get. chasing a mandatory spot makes sense for such a dangerous fighter with such little upside

Yea I can understand that. There is a bit of a catch 22 for them for sure. I guess I'm just rougher on this guy cuz I don't see what other people are seeing in him. And I'm a Cuban amateur fanboy so there is every reason for me to jump on his bandwagon, but I'm just seeing him beat up on guys he's supposed to beat & for some reason being proclaimed the best guy in the division by way too many people.

It feels a lil surreal to me people hype this guy so much. And this isn't to say he sucks or anything, he's for sure a talent to have gotten where he is & done what he has done, but I just don't see this pending dominant force in the HW division.