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  • -PBP-
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    Originally posted by Cupo303 View Post
    That's the poster boy for self-entitled, westernized clown, brat.

    If he wins two more hand picked title defenses, he is gonna think he can rough shot Wlad in negotiations like he is more popular.

    Oh, and count on him coming out with the mayweather-style steroid accusation, calling for random tests. This is all hypothetical of course. He is already doing that with Povetkin and I doubt he will get through him to get to Wlad, unless Haymon pays him step aside money.
    Wilder needs to be humbled. He's been a loose cannon ever since he got that paper title. He needs a fight or 2 before he's ready for Povetkin and I'm sure his team knows this. Hopefully the purse bid goes as planned this fall.

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  • big_james10
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    Originally posted by BertoRollin' View Post
    If I hear the word "A-Side" one more time, I will throw a fit.

    This thread is inspired by Danny Jacobs A-side rant BTW.

    It's no secret I'm a Floyd fan. Been one since 1996 when he fought at the Olympics. He is one of the most skilled, compete fighters I have ever seen and I love watching boxing at its highest level. With that said, I do not like the impact he will leave on the sport going forward.

    I understand divas have existed since the 1900s. The great Ray Robinson was a diva, Leonard was a diva, and numerous other fighters used to get cute in negotiations to gain advantages. That's not my issue. You put in work, bleed, fight killers, put your life at stake...you deserve to get paid, call the shots and make it tough for a young fighter to use the name that you worked so hard to build to launch his career.

    But now, you have guys like Danny Jacobs, Peter Quillin, Frampton/Quigg, Rigo/Loma, Demetrius Andrade, GGG/Ward, Kovalev/Stevenson, Khan/Brook, etc. etc. talking this a-side, A-side BS. What have these guys accomplished to be making such demands? None of them have classic battles, hall of fame resumes or anything.

    And it doesn't end there. You have Danny Garcia taking soft touches and not giving anybody rematches. Adrien Broner declaring himself next in line while accomplishing nothing. Keith Thurman treating Errol Spence like other fighters he complains about. GGG and Rigo afraid to test their skills one division higher. Nobody has the desire to be the next ATG fighter.

    Floyd and Pac weren't perfect but they took risks, gave rematches in controversial fights, and fought the best in several weight divisions. When moving up to 135, Floyd fought Castillo while Broner and Garcia fought Paulie.

    I understand there are some qualities that make you born a superstar. Your charisma, nationality, color, personality, etc. But every boxing superstar from Leonard, Chavez, Floyd, Pac, Oscar, Tyson, etc.....all had one thing in common.....

    They tested themselves against the best. And they didn't act like divas until they earned the right to.
    I agree with everything you have said. If there is one good thing about this situation, it is that none of the guys that you mentioned will ever become "money". In other words, none of them will ever earn the types of huge salaries that they think they deserve because none of them will ever put in the work or take the risks of Pretty Boy Floyd.

    Fans are not stupid. Most of us will not pay for garbage. Most of the guys that you mentioned will never appear on a PPV unless they are one of the undercard fighters and none of them will make ever a fraction of the money that Mayweather made in his last fight against Maidana. Some of the others may make it to PPV, but they will never ever earn the type of money they think they deserve because of what you said.

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  • cupocity303
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    Originally posted by Jc8804 View Post
    Wilder is a joke.

    Plain and simple.
    That's the poster boy for self-entitled, westernized clown, brat.

    If he wins two more hand picked title defenses, he is gonna think he can rough shot Wlad in negotiations like he is more popular.

    Oh, and count on him coming out with the mayweather-style steroid accusation, calling for random tests. This is all hypothetical of course. He is already doing that with Povetkin and I doubt he will get through him to get to Wlad, unless Haymon pays him step aside money.

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  • cupocity303
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    Originally posted by Pretty Boy32 View Post
    This is true, especially Pacquiao his obsession with TBE needs to stop.
    No, you see, the the TS was specifically excluding those two out of the point he was trying to make. Bad example.

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  • deathofaclown
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    Originally posted by -MAKAVELLI- View Post
    This is the Floyd influence.. Blame him
    You're obviously missing the point completely.

    The point is that guys like Manny and Floyd earned the right to make demands. They never avoided challenges on the way up. Floyd got in with the likes of Corrales on the way up when it was a real 50/50 fight to see who was the best. It would be nigh on impossible to get 2 fighters of today who are in that position to fight each other. The young fighters today think they're entitled without earning it.

    It's not difficult to understand. They should be taking influence from Floyd's whole career, not Floyd now.

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  • sicko
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    Originally posted by BertoRollin' View Post
    That's a good point about the styles too.

    Lara will move around, throw 1-2s and try to coast then complain about his 4 controversial decisions. Then will say "When Floyd does it it's a masterclass. When I do it it's running"

    Well, one guy generates a trillion dollars for the city of las Vegas and the other guy is still an unknown. Until you get to that level, you need to step on the gas, put punches together and inflict damage.
    EXACTLY!

    I can't remember which Charlo Brother it is off the top of my head (might be Jermell))but this guy is SO Painful to watch because he fights like he is just terrified and with absolutely no killer instinct to him, not even thinking about a stoppage and I think he is only 25 years old.

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  • Spacey1991
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    Originally posted by BertoRollin' View Post
    If I hear the word "A-Side" one more time, I will throw a fit.

    This thread is inspired by Danny Jacobs A-side rant BTW.

    It's no secret I'm a Floyd fan. Been one since 1996 when he fought at the Olympics. He is one of the most skilled, compete fighters I have ever seen and I love watching boxing at its highest level. With that said, I do not like the impact he will leave on the sport going forward.

    I understand divas have existed since the 1900s. The great Ray Robinson was a diva, Leonard was a diva, and numerous other fighters used to get cute in negotiations to gain advantages. That's not my issue. You put in work, bleed, fight killers, put your life at stake...you deserve to get paid, call the shots and make it tough for a young fighter to use the name that you worked so hard to build to launch his career.

    But now, you have guys like Danny Jacobs, Peter Quillin, Frampton/Quigg, Rigo/Loma, Demetrius Andrade, GGG/Ward, Kovalev/Stevenson, Khan/Brook, etc. etc. talking this a-side, A-side BS. What have these guys accomplished to be making such demands? None of them have classic battles, hall of fame resumes or anything.

    And it doesn't end there. You have Danny Garcia taking soft touches and not giving anybody rematches. Adrien Broner declaring himself next in line while accomplishing nothing. Keith Thurman treating Errol Spence like other fighters he complains about. GGG and Rigo afraid to test their skills one division higher. Nobody has the desire to be the next ATG fighter.

    Floyd and Pac weren't perfect but they took risks, gave rematches in controversial fights, and fought the best in several weight divisions. When moving up to 135, Floyd fought Castillo while Broner and Garcia fought Paulie.

    I understand there are some qualities that make you born a superstar. Your charisma, nationality, color, personality, etc. But every boxing superstar from Leonard, Chavez, Floyd, Pac, Oscar, Tyson, etc.....all had one thing in common.....

    They tested themselves against the best. And they didn't act like divas until they earned the right to.
    Couldn't agree more, you work your way to the top and then call the shots, like all of the ATG's, not just get some good wins at world level and act like you're in a position to call the shots. I'm hoping it's just a phase and someone comes through and shows everyone how it's supposed to be done once Mayweather is gone.

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  • Porter's Dad
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    The "A-side" reference from Jacobs was especially annoying because it basically showed that he thinks that he (and Quillin) are given a special privilege for nothing more than being Al Haymon fighters.

    Not resume or achievements or even being a draw....but because they're part of the PBC thing.

    And yes, Floyd paid his dues unlike most of these deluded idiots. But I've been saying it for a long time - Mayweather's corrosive influence on the sport will linger long after he retires. All the ****ed-up power plays, the diva antics, the self-entitlement, even the god-awful style he's been using these last few years to win fights (see Broner against Porter).

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  • MCU
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    Originally posted by BertoRollin' View Post
    If I hear the word "A-Side" one more time, I will throw a fit.

    This thread is inspired by Danny Jacobs A-side rant BTW.

    It's no secret I'm a Floyd fan. Been one since 1996 when he fought at the Olympics. He is one of the most skilled, compete fighters I have ever seen and I love watching boxing at its highest level. With that said, I do not like the impact he will leave on the sport going forward.

    I understand divas have existed since the 1900s. The great Ray Robinson was a diva, Leonard was a diva, and numerous other fighters used to get cute in negotiations to gain advantages. That's not my issue. You put in work, bleed, fight killers, put your life at stake...you deserve to get paid, call the shots and make it tough for a young fighter to use the name that you worked so hard to build to launch his career.

    But now, you have guys like Danny Jacobs, Peter Quillin, Frampton/Quigg, Rigo/Loma, Demetrius Andrade, GGG/Ward, Kovalev/Stevenson, Khan/Brook, etc. etc. talking this a-side, A-side BS. What have these guys accomplished to be making such demands? None of them have classic battles, hall of fame resumes or anything.

    And it doesn't end there. You have Danny Garcia taking soft touches and not giving anybody rematches. Adrien Broner declaring himself next in line while accomplishing nothing. Keith Thurman treating Errol Spence like other fighters he complains about. GGG and Rigo afraid to test their skills one division higher. Nobody has the desire to be the next ATG fighter.

    Floyd and Pac weren't perfect but they took risks, gave rematches in controversial fights, and fought the best in several weight divisions. When moving up to 135, Floyd fought Castillo while Broner and Garcia fought Paulie.

    I understand there are some qualities that make you born a superstar. Your charisma, nationality, color, personality, etc. But every boxing superstar from Leonard, Chavez, Floyd, Pac, Oscar, Tyson, etc.....all had one thing in common.....

    They tested themselves against the best. And they didn't act like divas until they earned the right to.
    Great post!

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  • Ray*
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    I love this thread but Garcia shouldn't be on there, yes he should have rematch Herrera but he isn't going to be the first and last not to do so.

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