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    By Cliff Rold - It’s not just another fight. Since winning their first world titles in 1998, Mayweather and Pacquiao have developed into the defining faces of their generation. When they square off on Saturday night, there will be three Welterweight belts on the line.

    There will also be plenty of history up for grabs.

    Over the course of this series, each man’s fights from first title win to the present day was examined with an eye on who they fought and where those fighters were regarded going into the fight.

    On the eve of their long awaited clash, let’s take a deeper look at the various accomplishments of both men and break down the numbers, hopefully in ways some may not yet have considered.

    We begin with the history that might be at hand.

    Historical Stakes

    The fight is already making history at the box office. On Saturday, we could see some very unique history in the ring. Entering Saturday, Pacquiao and Mayweather are the first two fighters in the history of boxing to win historical titles in four separate weight classes, as outlined in the chart below.

    There is debate about Mayweather’s position as the current lineal champion at Welterweight in what would be his second such reign. BoxingScene, Ring Magazine, and the Cyber Boxing Zone all recognize Mayweather as the proper current king at 147 lbs. The Transnational Boxing Rankings Board does not but rates them as 1 (Mayweather) and 2 (Pacquiao).

    The winner of this bout, with apologies to IBF titlist Kell Brook, will be the undisputable champion of the division. Further, they will cement their place as the defining Welterweight of the last decade.

    If that man is Pacquiao, he will break the record of lineal titles in four weight divisions that he first set with a knockout of Ricky Hatton in 2009.

    More than that, as noted in the first chapter of this series, Pacquiao would be only the third man to win lineal crowns in three of boxing’s storied ‘original eight’ weight divisions, joining Bob Fitzsimmons (Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, Heavyweight) and Henry Armstrong (Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight).

    The ‘original eight’ are Flyweight, Bantamweight, Featherweight, Lightweight, Welterweight, Middleweight, Light Heavyweight, and Heavyweight.

    While there have been others to win titles in three of those divisions like Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, and Roy Jones, none since Armstrong have held the historical crown in all of them.

    Pacquiao would also become the first former Featherweight Champion since Armstrong to win the Welterweight crown. Pacquiao is already the only former lineal Flyweight Champion to win those honors at Featherweight.

    There will be ample debate about where his feat rates next to Fitzsimmons and Armstrong should Pacquiao pull off the upset. Consider this for perspective: Fitzsimmons and Armstrong won titles in consecutive divisions. Pacquiao would have done it across a span of five of the ‘original eight,’ skipping over Bantamweight and Lightweight.

    There is a chance Sunday we could be discussing Pacquiao as the greatest winner of championships ever. [Click Here To Read More]

  • #2
    So basically, anyone who says Mayweather has a weak resume should pick a new topic of discussion because they don't know much about boxing.

    And, anyone who says Pacquiao has a weak resume should pick a new topic of discussion because they don't know much about boxing.


    Anyone who says this will be an easy win for Mayweather should pick a new topic of discussion because they don't know much about boxing.

    And, anyone who says this will be an easy win for Pacquiao should pick a new topic of discussion because they don't know much about boxing.

    I tend to agree...

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    • #3
      TLR

      TROLOLOL

      #WArMANNY

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      • #4
        The problem with boxing as a sport...

        I did not post in like 4 years, I used to be quite active on Estsideboxng before.

        Boxing is still the only sport I follow (the documentary "When we were kings" got me hooked) but I slowly realized it kinda sucks for 2 main reasons, and I want to point them out.

        But before explaining my beef with boxing, a quick comment on Manny-Floyd. I like Manny as a fighter and as a person but I think Floyd is likely to take it. If Floyd didn't have the size/reach advantage then probably I would go with Manny (thinking Floyd's skills not enough against Manny's heart).
        Last edited by sialb; 05-01-2015, 08:10 AM.

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        • #5
          The problem with boxing...

          In summary, I see two main problems with boxing (will elaborate a bit on both):

          1. Being an ego-maniac (that trains like a demon because nothing/nobody else in life interests you other than not losing) plays too big a role in how well you do in boxing. Imagine 2 guys are equally gifted at birth for boxing, but one is an ego-maniac while the other is a nice, laid-back guy. Who’s gonna do better? In boxing when we celebrate great achievements we might just celebrate a guy being an ego-maniac.

          2. Boxing will reward disproportionately… exactly those fighters who need LESS courage to climb between the ropes and fight. The underdogs, who need a ton of guts to face a vastly superior/stronger fighter bent on taking their head of… they will be rewarded a lot less than the supremely gifted athlete who knows the fight is just gonna be easy work. This sucks big time.

          I really felt like saying this... feel better now.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sialb View Post
            In summary, I see two main problems with boxing (will elaborate a bit on both):

            1. Being an ego-maniac (that trains like a demon because nothing/nobody else in life interests you other than not losing) plays too big a role in how well you do in boxing. Imagine 2 guys are equally gifted at birth for boxing, but one is an ego-maniac while the other is a nice, laid-back guy. Who***8217;s gonna do better? In boxing when we celebrate great achievements we might just celebrate a guy being an ego-maniac.

            2. Boxing will reward disproportionately***8230; exactly those fighters who need LESS courage to climb between the ropes and fight. The underdogs, who need a ton of guts to face a vastly superior/stronger fighter bent on taking their head of***8230; they will be rewarded a lot less than the supremely gifted athlete who knows the fight is just gonna be easy work. This sucks big time.

            I really felt like saying this... feel better now.
            Um, that first sentence in your #1 beef is so ******ed that I had to take a break before continuing. I had to take several breaks before reading the entire post. You sound like someone who has never had the drive/courage to compete...in anything. You bemoan someone's talent because you didn't want to work hard enough to develop your own (I believe we are all born with aptitudes for something). Sorry to ruin your day, man, but nothing in life worth having is comes free. Like any good coach or father will tell their kids, "you cannot hide hard work." The guys who rise to the top level of their respective sports got their primarily on hard work, not talent.
            Last edited by NachoMan; 05-01-2015, 01:18 PM.

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            • #7
              like I said before people on this site ignore facts that have been right under their nose all along


              For all the he is ducking this person or scared of this person crap, he still fights world class opposition every fight out...every fight...no tune ups

              Mayweather has defeated more champions, defended his lineal titles more than anyone today, is tied for most lineal titles ever and half his fights are title fights.


              That's some remarkable consistency...Manny is getting worked tomorrow


              Being a good person, or beloved by the public doesn't change that mayweather is just the better fighter

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              • #8
                Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post
                like I said before people on this site ignore facts that have been right under their nose all along


                For all the he is ducking this person or scared of this person crap, he still fights world class opposition every fight out...every fight...no tune ups

                Mayweather has defeated more champions, defended his lineal titles more than anyone today, is tied for most lineal titles ever and half his fights are title fights.


                That's some remarkable consistency...Manny is getting worked tomorrow


                Being a good person, or beloved by the public doesn't change that mayweather is just the better fighter
                Both guys have been pretty consistent for 17 years. This fight isn't big for no reason. It should be a good night.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by crold1 View Post
                  Both guys have been pretty consistent for 17 years. This fight isn't big for no reason. It should be a good night.
                  Both are consistent but mayweather was more dominant in championship fights and beat more champions in almost 20 less fights


                  Mayweather is the favorite for a reason....he is more proven and more consistent

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by therealpugilist View Post
                    Both are consistent but mayweather was more dominant in championship fights and beat more champions in almost 20 less fights


                    Mayweather is the favorite for a reason....he is more proven and more consistent
                    I think more consistent is more accurate than proven. You don't get much more proven than these two. And it's one more champion; pretty negligible. It's dead even since 2001 in terms of champs faced.

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