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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” — Boxing’s Cold Wars May Never End

    by David P. Greisman - When Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr. fought eight years ago, some described it as the fight that could save boxing. It wasn’t, of course. And when Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao finally face each other on May 2, it won’t mark the end of any of the so-called cold wars that have plagued this sport for years.

    Yes, Mayweather-Pacquiao will mark the first time that HBO and Showtime have cooperated on a pay-per-view since Lennox Lewis fought Mike Tyson in 2002.

    Yes, it will mark the first time that Mayweather has worked alongside Top Rank since he bought out his contract in 2006 with the promoter that had signed him prior to his pro debut a decade before.

    And yes, Mayweather-Pacquiao brought Top Rank’s Bob Arum back into negotiations with Mayweather’s adviser, Al Haymon, about whom Arum had expressed so much frustration ever since they failed to make a bout between Kelly Pavlik, then the middleweight champion and an Arum fighter, and Paul Williams, who was one of Haymon’s clients.

    Mayweather-Pacquiao is great for the sport. It brings a massive amount of attention to the Sweet Science at a time when it is attempting to grow back from beyond its niche audience. It comes after five years in which the casual followers and non-fans saw the continued lack of a fight between Floyd and Manny as emblematic of the problems plaguing professional pugilism.

    In reality, Mayweather and Pacquiao hadn’t fought because Mayweather and Pacquiao — and their teams — had found reasons for them not to fight. Their egos got in the way until, finally, they realized how silly that situation was. They could make far more money together than they could by remaining apart. Mayweather-Pacquiao hadn’t happened when both were with HBO. Mayweather’s move to Showtime in 2013 wasn’t what kept it from occurring since then. The networks have found a way to work together.


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  • CANELOLUJAH
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    the cold war wont end till haymon fails cause to be honest he was the main reason behind it all.

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    • aboutfkntime
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      #3
      Originally posted by D-Checc
      the cold war wont end till haymon fails cause to be honest he was the main reason behind it all.
      I dont know how you can say that.

      The problem existed between Schaeffer/Arum, before Haymon was even relevant.

      The first rule of business is.....
      " never do business with someone you cant trust "

      That does not need to be explained/quantified.

      In 2010, Bob Arum not only lied to Richard Schaeffer..... he also lied about Richard Schaeffer, whilst looking him in the eye, whilst standing directly next to him, at a press conference.

      Schaeffer offered to take a lie detector test if you remember.

      How could Schaeffer ever do business with a man who is comfortable lying about him, whilst looking him in the eye?

      Oscar allowed his drug dependency to affect/destroy his company.

      He should have listened to Schaeffer and taken a back seat, just like he had been doing for the last 5 years whilst Schaeffer built the company up.

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      • sicko
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        Cold War? Between Who? Mayweather vs Pacquiao is now Official, it is no other matches right now that is being held up due to Promoters Not Liking Each Other! Stevenson vs Kovalev I guess but both sides seem more than willing to work something out, both Duva and Michel have made it clear they're willing to make that fight so I think when they feel it is time to make it I think they will have NO PROBLEM getting it done

        "Cold Wars" is not possible if Belt Organizations do their job and orders fights and just force promoters to BID on the fights.

        Also Mayweather vs Pacquiao shows that the fighters have the Power, if they speak up and put their foot down and demand certain fights it is really nothing Networks and Promoters can do besides find a way to make it WORK!

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        • mrjoeblive
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          #5
          Originally posted by sicko
          Cold War? Between Who? Mayweather vs Pacquiao is now Official, it is no other matches right now that is being held up due to Promoters Not Liking Each Other! Stevenson vs Kovalev I guess but both sides seem more than willing to work something out, both Duva and Michel have made it clear they're willing to make that fight so I think when they feel it is time to make it I think they will have NO PROBLEM getting it done

          "Cold Wars" is not possible if Belt Organizations do their job and orders fights and just force promoters to BID on the fights.

          Also Mayweather vs Pacquiao shows that the fighters have the Power, if they speak up and put their foot down and demand certain fights it is really nothing Networks and Promoters can do besides find a way to make it WORK!
          There are a ton of fights that could be made that will never see the light of day due to rival promoters and rival networks. Only mega star boxers have some power. The rest get to do what they are told and fight who they are ordered to fight.

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          • mrjoeblive
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            #6
            Originally posted by D-Checc
            the cold war wont end till haymon fails cause to be honest he was the main reason behind it all.
            Stop the hatred of haymon. The cold war started when oscar and floyd realized how bad arum was robbing them and fled to start their own companies. Arum wants the money and multiple options on fighters. Thats why chavez jr refused the last top tank fight. Arum wanted a 3ton fight option. He made it easy for haymon. Haymon makes money for his fighters. PBC might be the best thing to happen to boxing. Its going to force boxing powers to make quality fights. More people wil see boxing bringing larger audiences to boxing. This is great for boxing. Haymon has the largest stable of fighters and he is sharing with the public. Good job Haymon.

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            • 285Kid
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              We won't need to talk about the "Cold War" after this year in 2016 PBC will be its own promotion outside of the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO rules..

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              • sicko
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                #8
                Originally posted by mrjoeblive
                There are a ton of fights that could be made that will never see the light of day due to rival promoters and rival networks. Only mega star boxers have some power. The rest get to do what they are told and fight who they are ordered to fight.
                Name Them! Like I already listed Kovalev vs Stevenson can be ordered and put up for BID. Name a big fight that can't be made? IBF Ordered Bradley vs Khan and Khan did not want it.

                So I called BS on Cold War especially if these Belt Organizations do their JOB and Order Fights and not pick sides

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                • Barcham
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by 285Kid
                  We won't need to talk about the "Cold War" after this year in 2016 PBC will be its own promotion outside of the WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO rules..
                  No, after 2015 Haymon will be bankrupt and out of boxing and in hiding from his 'investors' in fear for his life.

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                  • Barcham
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sicko
                    Name Them! Like I already listed Kovalev vs Stevenson can be ordered and put up for BID. Name a big fight that can't be made? IBF Ordered Bradley vs Khan and Khan did not want it.

                    So I called BS on Cold War especially if these Belt Organizations do their JOB and Order Fights and not pick sides
                    The problem is that Haymon will be creating his own title belts and will be ignoring mandatory defenses as his current title holders will simply vacate their titles when necessary.

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