Comments Thread For: De La Hoya Would Do Canelo vs. Chavez, But at 159

[Bronx2245]

Canelo and Chavez will fight only if floyd ducks PAC again by fighting Cotto for the middleweight belt. I like the idea cuz I think Cotto would beat Floyd if he gets another chance.

So Floyd was ducking Pacquiao to fight Cotto at 154? So that was a "cherry-pick" fight too? If fighting Canelo at 154 was so easy, why didn't Pac do it?

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...rematch-boxing

"The only offer Top Rank ever made us was the same money as in 2009," Cotto told ESPN.com. "[Arum] made the same offer he made in 2009, and we found it kind of funny. That was the reason we decided not to face Pacquiao. That, and they also wanted me to go down to 150 pounds and give him the same advantage that they gave Pacquiao in 2009, a catchweight."

Cotto said he was surprised to read that Arum said he offered him $13 million.

"Bob said he offered us $13 million, but he never came to us with that offer," Cotto said. "He always offered us the same guarantee he offered us in 2009, with the same benefits, and that's not fair. He offered the exact same amount of money. Of course it's a business, but all we want is fair business. You can say to Bob to tell me he made that offer to me to my face, and you will see his reaction.

"Miguel Cotto always agrees to fight the best. I've never said no to anybody, but you need to treat me fairly in business."


Even if the money could have been worked out, Cotto said the weight was a major issue.

For the 2009 bout he had agreed to go down to 145 pounds, two less than the welterweight limit, and said it took its toll. If he had taken the rematch at 150, it would mean dropping 4 pounds below the junior middleweight limit, which is where Cotto has fought his four bouts since his loss to Pacquiao.

"If he wants a big name and wants to fight the best, no catchweight," Cotto said of Pacquiao. "Making catchweights is easy for them. They make the other guy have trouble making weight and they take advantage of that. I wasn't going to do that again. I am 154 pounds. I am not going to fight at a catchweight and make myself weak."

[nycsmooth]

DLH is 2 stupid 2 c Jr barely makes '68, as seen the 2 bouts vs Vera...Jr has a world of problem, the greatest @ this point in time is his inactivity...I wonder what he weighs?? 220!!!

[JustinFloyd]

So Floyd was ducking Pacquiao to fight Cotto at 154? So that was a "cherry-pick" fight too? If fighting Canelo at 154 was so easy, why didn't Pac do it?

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...rematch-boxing

"The only offer Top Rank ever made us was the same money as in 2009," Cotto told ESPN.com. "[Arum] made the same offer he made in 2009, and we found it kind of funny. That was the reason we decided not to face Pacquiao. That, and they also wanted me to go down to 150 pounds and give him the same advantage that they gave Pacquiao in 2009, a catchweight."

Cotto said he was surprised to read that Arum said he offered him $13 million.

"Bob said he offered us $13 million, but he never came to us with that offer," Cotto said. "He always offered us the same guarantee he offered us in 2009, with the same benefits, and that's not fair. He offered the exact same amount of money. Of course it's a business, but all we want is fair business. You can say to Bob to tell me he made that offer to me to my face, and you will see his reaction.

"Miguel Cotto always agrees to fight the best. I've never said no to anybody, but you need to treat me fairly in business."


Even if the money could have been worked out, Cotto said the weight was a major issue.

For the 2009 bout he had agreed to go down to 145 pounds, two less than the welterweight limit, and said it took its toll. If he had taken the rematch at 150, it would mean dropping 4 pounds below the junior middleweight limit, which is where Cotto has fought his four bouts since his loss to Pacquiao.

"If he wants a big name and wants to fight the best, no catchweight," Cotto said of Pacquiao. "Making catchweights is easy for them. They make the other guy have trouble making weight and they take advantage of that. I wasn't going to do that again. I am 154 pounds. I am not going to fight at a catchweight and make myself weak."

In short.. Pac your next... oops! Never said that! lol

[chepe009]

At 159? Wtf. .these catch weights are getting ridiculous. Why 159? Can it just beat 160? Smh.. by next year there's going to be matches taking place for the middleweight championship at a catch weight of 159 1/2.

[bigjavi973]

So Floyd was ducking Pacquiao to fight Cotto at 154? So that was a "cherry-pick" fight too? If fighting Canelo at 154 was so easy, why didn't Pac do it?

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...rematch-boxing

"The only offer Top Rank ever made us was the same money as in 2009," Cotto told ESPN.com. "[Arum] made the same offer he made in 2009, and we found it kind of funny. That was the reason we decided not to face Pacquiao. That, and they also wanted me to go down to 150 pounds and give him the same advantage that they gave Pacquiao in 2009, a catchweight."

Cotto said he was surprised to read that Arum said he offered him $13 million.

"Bob said he offered us $13 million, but he never came to us with that offer," Cotto said. "He always offered us the same guarantee he offered us in 2009, with the same benefits, and that's not fair. He offered the exact same amount of money. Of course it's a business, but all we want is fair business. You can say to Bob to tell me he made that offer to me to my face, and you will see his reaction.

"Miguel Cotto always agrees to fight the best. I've never said no to anybody, but you need to treat me fairly in business."


Even if the money could have been worked out, Cotto said the weight was a major issue.

For the 2009 bout he had agreed to go down to 145 pounds, two less than the welterweight limit, and said it took its toll. If he had taken the rematch at 150, it would mean dropping 4 pounds below the junior middleweight limit, which is where Cotto has fought his four bouts since his loss to Pacquiao.

"If he wants a big name and wants to fight the best, no catchweight," Cotto said of Pacquiao. "Making catchweights is easy for them. They make the other guy have trouble making weight and they take advantage of that. I wasn't going to do that again. I am 154 pounds. I am not going to fight at a catchweight and make myself weak."

He fought canelo, who barely makes 154, fight at 152.
"Ill never make my opponent fight at a catchweight. I want them at their best." FMJ hypocrisy much???

[ChampBox@PR]

a 164 Catchweight is more than fair. Canelo blows up to 170+ fight night, so trying to get Chavez jr. at 159 is plain noinsense. The fight wont happen at that weight, they know it!

[VAGAB0ND]

A catchweight of 161 or 162 pounds is fair. 161 is between 154 and 168. But Canelo has been fighting at 155 so I think 162 is reasonable. Canelo would have to go up 7 pounds and Chavez Jr. would have to come down 6 pounds.

[icha]

chavez jr said him self a couple of weeks ago that there will be no advantages for either fighter at 160... but to be honest i dont think he will make weight even if he agrees, he just wants to get paid...

[gbonafide]

Anyone who thinks Junior can make 160 is just being naive and hopeful.

[Dr Rumack]

And right after we get Chavez Jr down to 159 we're going to match Leo Santa Cruz with Dan Rafael.