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Well from what I recall Trinidad priced himself out in the rematch or Don King did, which ever you prefer. Also Arum and DLH were having problems as well. But the reality is if you thought you were going to get 50-50 with DLH the you weren't fighting DLH.
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Well you recall incorrectly. De La Hoya walked away from negotiations for a Trinidad rematch on no less than 7 different occasions. The first few were somewhat justifiable from a business perspective, as Trinidad financial demands were somewhat laughable because, having beaten De La Hoya the first time out, he erroneously thought that that made him a bigger draw than Oscar.
However, the collapse of the final 4 negotiations for De La Hoya/Trinidad II were all Oscar's fault. Having become disillusioned with Tito's initial demands, Oscar made a series of disparaging remarks in the media about Tito and his camp and ultimately ended up offering Trinidad a paltry 30% of the purse split and said that Tito should "be grateful" to have gotten that much.
Tito was off his rocker during the initial negotiations, but eventually he and his camp offered De La Hoya numerous reasonable offers which a bitter De La Hoya scoffed at and walked away from.
Please don't "recall" things if you're not 100% certain of their veracity. That's how this place got as ****** as it currently is, because users here are so ignorant of the sport's history that they just take whatever somebody says as fact and regurgitate it ad nausem.Comment
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I also think weight became an issue,,, oscar was welter or jr mid, and tito was a mw...Well you recall incorrectly. De La Hoya walked away from negotiations for a Trinidad rematch on no less than 7 different occasions. The first few were somewhat justifiable from a business perspective, as Trinidad financial demands were somewhat laughable because, having beaten De La Hoya the first time out, he erroneously thought that that made him a bigger draw than Oscar.
However, the collapse of the final 4 negotiations for De La Hoya/Trinidad II were all Oscar's fault. Having become disillusioned with Tito's initial demands, Oscar made a series of disparaging remarks in the media about Tito and his camp and ultimately ended up offering Trinidad a paltry 30% of the purse split and said that Tito should "be grateful" to have gotten that much.
Tito was off his rocker during the initial negotiations, but eventually he and his camp offered De La Hoya numerous reasonable offers which a bitter De La Hoya scoffed at and walked away from.
Please don't "recall" things if you're not 100% certain of their veracity. That's how this place got as ****** as it currently is, because users here are so ignorant of the sport's history that they just take whatever somebody says as fact and regurgitate it ad nausem.
The later negotiations, i think the weight played a huge difference, especially when tito cameback in 04, oscar realized he was totally outgunned at 160, and tito wasnt coming down..
Im just glad they fought the first time,, undefeated prime champions that are cash cows with different promoters never fight each other...Comment
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The rematch was there to be made for quite a while. Trinidad's camp eventually came to their senses and made a bunch of reasonable offers that Oscar shot down one by one. De La Hoya let his own ego get in the way of what could've been one of the greatest rematches of all time. That's the truth. He was too caught up in his own superstardom to take anybody seriously, not even his greatest rival. He basically thought that everybody was beneath him.
I have a ton of respect for what Oscar accomplished in the ring, but outside of it he was a ****ing d*ck. Pretty much exactly like Floyd, but at least Floyd gave Castillo and Maidana their rematches.Comment
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Oh damn... Did somebody say bring it? Well...Well you recall incorrectly. De La Hoya walked away from negotiations for a Trinidad rematch on no less than 7 different occasions. The first few were somewhat justifiable from a business perspective, as Trinidad financial demands were somewhat laughable because, having beaten De La Hoya the first time out, he erroneously thought that that made him a bigger draw than Oscar.
However, the collapse of the final 4 negotiations for De La Hoya/Trinidad II were all Oscar's fault. Having become disillusioned with Tito's initial demands, Oscar made a series of disparaging remarks in the media about Tito and his camp and ultimately ended up offering Trinidad a paltry 30% of the purse split and said that Tito should "be grateful" to have gotten that much.
Tito was off his rocker during the initial negotiations, but eventually he and his camp offered De La Hoya numerous reasonable offers which a bitter De La Hoya scoffed at and walked away from.
Please don't "recall" things if you're not 100% certain of their veracity. That's how this place got as ****** as it currently is, because users here are so ignorant of the sport's history that they just take whatever somebody says as fact and regurgitate it ad nausem.
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IMO a rematch needed to happen right away, but as you said tito had horrible demands early, and by 2001 they were separated by weight..
Tito-oscar 2 could realistically happen instead of oscar-shane 1.. but any later and it wasnt going to happen...
Castillo and maidana didnt make crazy demands for the rematch like tito did early, as you stated...
Plus tito was to oscar what manny is to floyd, and i have yet to see floyd and manny fight once let alone twice...
Oscar aint afraid of rematches, or he wouldnt have fought shane, and looking to fight floyd a second timeComment
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I'm saying that his ego prevented the biggest rematch that could've been made during that era, not that he's afraid of rematches.
Weight can always be ironed out. Hell, Oscar was fighting Bernard himself less than 3 years later. A catchweight could've easily been negotiated but by that point Oscar wasn't even at the table anymore. He walked away and stopped taking Tito seriously because he never respected anybody's fanbase or dignity aside from his own.
Can you imagine Floyd offering Maidana 30% of the purse for their upcoming rematch?Comment
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