What boxer has won the most world titles in boxing history?

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  • 4Corners
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    #61
    Originally posted by New England
    if you weren't a poster that i'd respect, i'd stop reading after the bold. not a good look. i read the rest out of respect.
    .......I respect you as a poster too, but it's true. You don't think Manny and Floyd are roughly the same size at WW??? Floyd isn't weighing any more then 150-151 max on fight night, maybe a couple lbs more then Manny or the same lately.

    If memory serves, I remember Manny at 126 coming into the ring in the mid to upper 130's, and Manny at 130 coming into the ring at like 140/low 140's. And being at WW coming into the ring around the welterweight limit, or a couple lbs above recently. And I remember Mayweather at 130 coming into the ring in the mid 130's, at 135 coming into the ring in the upper 130's, and at 147 coming into the ring around the welterweight limit or a couple lbs above.

    Floyd isn't much bigger then Manny at all.

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      #62
      Originally posted by 4Corners
      .......I respect you as a poster too, but it's true. You don't think Manny and Floyd are roughly the same size at WW??? Floyd isn't weighing any more then 150-151 max on fight night, maybe a couple lbs more then Manny or the same lately.

      If memory serves, I remember Manny at 126 coming into the ring in the mid to upper 130's, and Manny at 130 coming into the ring at like 140/low 140's. And being at WW coming into the ring around the welterweight limit, or a couple lbs above recently. And I remember Mayweather at 130 coming into the ring in the mid 130's, at 135 coming into the ring in the upper 130's, and at 147 coming into the ring around the welterweight limit or a couple lbs above.

      Floyd isn't much bigger then Manny at all.


      they have been separated by a weight class or more for most of their careers.

      what's important about the weights is how they got there. alex ariza is on record saying that he tried to get manny to eat 5-7 thousand calories a day, even when he was weighing 138 for his hatton fight at 140. floyd mayweather was fined several hundred thousand dollars because he was unable to make 144, during a period when floyd was seriously hurting for money.

      they're not the same size. i'm not saying floyd is a big welterweight. he's not. i'm saying that he's a more true welterweight than manny, who is only at the weight because of the money.

      manny is also about two inches shorter, and has a five inch disadvantage in reach. five inches of extra reach at that size is HUGE.

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        #63
        Originally posted by 4Corners
        .......I respect you as a poster too, but it's true. You don't think Manny and Floyd are roughly the same size at WW??? Floyd isn't weighing any more then 150-151 max on fight night, maybe a couple lbs more then Manny or the same lately.

        If memory serves, I remember Manny at 126 coming into the ring in the mid to upper 130's, and Manny at 130 coming into the ring at like 140/low 140's. And being at WW coming into the ring around the welterweight limit, or a couple lbs above recently. And I remember Mayweather at 130 coming into the ring in the mid 130's, at 135 coming into the ring in the upper 130's, and at 147 coming into the ring around the welterweight limit or a couple lbs above.

        Floyd isn't much bigger then Manny at all.
        Why do people think weight is the only determining factor of size?

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          #64
          Mayweather would have bloodied Erik morales face up.

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            #65
            Originally posted by New England
            they have been separated by a weight class or more for most of their careers.

            what's important about the weights is how they got there. alex ariza is on record saying that he tried to get manny to eat 5-7 thousand calories a day, even when he was weighing 138 for his hatton fight at 140. floyd mayweather was fined several hundred thousand dollars because he was unable to make 144, during a period when floyd was seriously hurting for money.

            they're not the same size. i'm not saying floyd is a big welterweight. he's not. i'm saying that he's a more true welterweight than manny, who is only at the weight because of the money.

            manny is also about two inches shorter, and has a five inch disadvantage in reach. five inches of extra reach at that size is HUGE.
            I'm not saying Floyd isn't bigger but it's not nearly as drastic as some make it out to be. If Manny is a tiny Welterweight, Floyd is a small one.

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              #66
              Which win on pacmans resume is so great that makes it better than Floyd's resume?

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                #67
                Originally posted by 4Corners
                I'm not saying Floyd isn't bigger but it's not nearly as drastic as some make it out to be. If Manny is a tiny Welterweight, Floyd is a small one.

                floyd has a very big reach for a welterweight, and isn't all that short either. i definitely wouldn't call him small, while i would call manny a small welterweight.

                he's been at welterweight since the mid 2000's. manny was at 126 and 130, and only left 130 in '08.

                they're not the same size, dawg. just give it up

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by jas
                  Which win on pacmans resume is so great that makes it better than Floyd's resume?
                  Pac's wins over Barrera at 126 and Marquez at 130 (though controversial) give him an edge over Floyd.

                  To me, Manny has beaten like 9-10 fighters who were legit wins at the times.

                  Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Bradley. You could maybe add Solis or Diaz if you're being generous.

                  Floyd's got this.

                  Genaro, Corrales, J. Chavez, Castillo, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo. You could maybe add Manfredy at 130 coming off beating Gatti, Corley, Gatti, and C. Hernandez if you're including wins that are decent like those.

                  I think Floyd has more legit wins, but Pac's wins over Barrera and Marquez give him an edge IMO.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by New England
                    floyd has a very big reach for a welterweight, and isn't all that short either. i definitely wouldn't call him small, while i would call manny a small welterweight.

                    he's been at welterweight since the mid 2000's. manny was at 126 and 130, and only left 130 in '08.

                    they're not the same size, dawg. just give it up
                    Floyd's like 5'8'' and weighs no more then 150 usually. Most of these Welterweights are bigger then he is. I'm not saying they're the same size man, I'm saying if one is tiny at 147, the other isn't that big there or smaller then most there.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by 4Corners
                      Pac's wins over Barrera at 126 and Marquez at 130 (though controversial) give him an edge over Floyd.

                      To me, Manny has beaten like 9-10 fighters who were legit wins at the times.

                      Sasakul, Ledwaba, Barrera, Morales, Marquez, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey, and Bradley. You could maybe add Solis or Diaz if you're being generous.

                      Floyd's got this.

                      Genaro, Corrales, J. Chavez, Castillo, Judah, Baldomir, De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz, Cotto, Guerrero, Canelo. You could maybe add Manfredy at 130 coming off beating Gatti, Corley, Gatti, and C. Hernandez if you're including wins that are decent like those.

                      I think Floyd has more legit wins, but Pac's wins over Barrera and Marquez give him an edge IMO.
                      Floyd dominated marquez. Totally outclassed him.

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