Over the years, I have to disagree about Sugar Ray Robinson being the GOAT

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  • therealpugilist
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    Over the years, I have to disagree about Sugar Ray Robinson being the GOAT

    Sugar Ray Robinson is a great, great fighter. Easily top 5, possibly top 3, but I just dont know about him being the greatest fighter of all time.

    1)Attributes-Robinson had all the attributes a fighter would want: speed, chin, stamina, power, counterpunching, and ability to punch in combination. As well as a huge heart. He was like the Roy Jones of his era, a natural fighter but IMO he wasnt always the SMARTEST. All his losses when he was a top notch fighter were to come forward, strong types. He was a huge welterweight in his era. At middleweight his advantages in size and strength were minimized

    2) Resume-People criticize fighters of today not fighting a lot of great fighters, he didnt either. IN 200 plus fights he only defeated 14 world champions, thats like one world champion ever 14 fights, whereas Mayweather has defeated 9 in 45 fights and gets ripped for his competition. McClarnin fought better competition as well, simply put.....Robinson's resume is great, its just not close to being the best

    Langforde was a former lightweight who beat Hall of fame heavyweights and light heavyweights, Armstong defended the welterweight title 20 times was just fighting at featherweight and won the title skipping 135 altogether. At 147 where some rate Robinson number one. If he fought a prime Armstrong. He probably would have lost or been a razor close fight. Robinson had trouble with short, strong, crowding fighters......Basilio, LaMotta, Fuller were not close to dynamic as a prime armstrong.

    3) Who is higher.....Their should be an argument for Langforde, Armstrong, and Harry Greb to be ranked higher. Robinson is the prototype fighter, but these guys fought and beat better competition, had better resumes, and in their primes were just as dominant.

    I currently rate Langforde 1 hell he beat champions and HOF from lightweight to heavyweight, Armstrong 2, and Greb 3.
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    Here comes reloaded identical twin gay brother.

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    • -MAKAVELLI-
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      #3
      "over the years"



      TS is 16 and started watching boxing when Justin Bieber showed up with Floyd

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      • therealpugilist
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        i been researching boxing my whole life, probably forgot more about it than you know, in and out the ring. I been following the sport 20 years. Form your own opinions and stop being a bandwagon hopper

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        • WesleySnipes
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          #5
          not a fair comparison on the beaten world champs part IMO...back in the days there was only one champion in one division...not 4-5 like these days...everybody can be a champion these days...

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            #6
            Originally posted by WesleySnipes
            not a fair comparison on the beaten world champs part IMO...back in the days there was only one champion in one division...not 4-5 like these days...everybody can be a champion these days...
            Mr. Snipes speaks the truth.

            P.S. I loved Blade!

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            • The Big Dunn
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              to each his own. I disagree.

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              • therealpugilist
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                #8
                Originally posted by BUNGALOWS
                Mr. Snipes speaks the truth.

                P.S. I loved Blade!

                I guess you guys never heard of the NBA, the IBC, all sanctioning bodies of the time that had their own champions in the 30's-50's....hell certain states had their own " world champion". I believe the NBA turned in the WBC, correct me if im wrong

                When I said champions as far as Floyd, just as Robinson they were lineal champions.....Mayweather beat 9, Robinson beat 14.....the point is Robinson beat a bunch of scrubs as well and Ali, McClarnin, Leonard, Langforde, Greb, etc beat better competition.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by therealpugilist
                  Sugar Ray Robinson is a great, great fighter. Easily top 5, possibly top 3, but I just dont know about him being the greatest fighter of all time.

                  1)Attributes-Robinson had all the attributes a fighter would want: speed, chin, stamina, power, counterpunching, and ability to punch in combination. As well as a huge heart. He was like the Roy Jones of his era, a natural fighter but IMO he wasnt always the SMARTEST. All his losses when he was a top notch fighter were to come forward, strong types. He was a huge welterweight in his era. At middleweight his advantages in size and strength were minimized

                  2) Resume-People criticize fighters of today not fighting a lot of great fighters, he didnt either. IN 200 plus fights he only defeated 14 world champions, thats like one world champion ever 14 fights, whereas Mayweather has defeated 9 in 45 fights and gets ripped for his competition. McClarnin fought better competition as well, simply put.....Robinson's resume is great, its just not close to being the best

                  Langforde was a former lightweight who beat Hall of fame heavyweights and light heavyweights, Armstong defended the welterweight title 20 times was just fighting at featherweight and won the title skipping 135 altogether. At 147 where some rate Robinson number one. If he fought a prime Armstrong. He probably would have lost or been a razor close fight. Robinson had trouble with short, strong, crowding fighters......Basilio, LaMotta, Fuller were not close to dynamic as a prime armstrong.

                  3) Who is higher.....Their should be an argument for Langforde, Armstrong, and Harry Greb to be ranked higher. Robinson is the prototype fighter, but these guys fought and beat better competition, had better resumes, and in their primes were just as dominant.

                  I currently rate Langforde 1 hell he beat champions and HOF from lightweight to heavyweight, Armstrong 2, and Greb 3.

                  the way you describe srr, pacquiao would beat him easy.

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                  • Mr Ehrmantraut
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                    I have to agree.

                    Strength and conditioning techniques have come on leaps and bounds. Also boxers have much better diets and PED's these days (compared to only ******* and amphetamines back in the day).

                    Berto > Broner > Sugar Ray Robinson.

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