Jmm vs willie pep at 130 who wins

[edgarg]

Willie Pep by quite a margin.

But dude, you should really post these in the fantasy fight section. Especially when you post them this often.

I think there should be a "super-dooper" Fantasy page for stuff like this..... The kind that we read that The Old Man Of The Mountain used to induce in his assassins before he sent them out to knock off some very hard to get at person. I think they soup-p the present day suicide bombers the same way, brainwashing them into what kind of wonderful future they'll have in Paradise...

[boxingfan91]

Take what? There's a section dedicated to these type of threads where posters will actually take their time and dissect ch fighters qualities and flaws. When you post these threads on NSB you'll often get a bunch of trolls talking about things they don't know anything about.

Im not gonna take this from you

[BUNGALOWS]

Your trying to say that dodging a punch then coming back straight away isn't the epitome of Defense/offense?

For instance Gamboa bouncing in and out is an example of fast defense/offense

Your talking about fighting in the pocket. James Toney is the undisputed King of this.

Countering is a singular moment in a fight. It doesn't encompass the epitome of offense/defense. Pernell was the better mid to close range defense/offensive fighter in a stand still or with movement.

Floyd is hit, slip and move. Pernell is slip, hit, move, and stay in close range and hit/slip.

Toney was great on the inside, but peak for peak Pernell's defense/offense on the inside was better and more elusive. The shoulder roll is limited in the fact that you still get hit.

[ImStillHere]

Countering is not offense/defense. That's mainly countering. I consider offense/defense staying in the pocket for a sustained time, hitting and not getting hit in the middle of the ring. Not a singular moment in a fight where you slip and rip.

Floyd is a hit and move type of guy. Or a hit and move out of the way type of fighter. Or a lay on the ropes and get hit, but be in control type fighter.

Pernell could dance on you while staying stationary and moving, while outlanding you.

Your trying to say that dodging a punch then coming back straight away isn't the epitome of Defense/offense?

For instance Gamboa bouncing in and out is an example of fast defense/offense

Your talking about fighting in the pocket. James Toney is the undisputed King of this.

[BUNGALOWS]

That's a lie. Floyd is the best at countering not Pernell. Pernell the hardest to hit. And Peps the most effective and better brain. Pep admits to standing on Sadler's foot to get the advantage in the first fight< that's Genius.

P4P Willie Pep beats them both IMO. And he defo beats Marquez. I'm sorry to say it might not even be competitive.

Countering is not offense/defense. That's mainly countering. I consider offense/defense staying in the pocket for a sustained time, hitting and not getting hit in the middle of the ring. Not a singular moment in a fight where you slip and rip.

Floyd is a hit and move type of guy. Or a hit and move out of the way type of fighter. Or a lay on the ropes and get hit, but be in control type fighter.

Pernell could dance on you while staying stationary and moving, while outlanding you.

[ImStillHere]

True. Floyd is better at offense/defense than Pep, but not Pernell. Benitez is up there too.

That's a lie. Floyd is the best at countering not Pernell. Pernell the hardest to hit. And Peps the most effective and better brain. Pep admits to standing on Sadler's foot to get the advantage in the first fight< that's Genius.

P4P Willie Pep beats them both IMO. And he defo beats Marquez. I'm sorry to say it might not even be competitive.

[BUNGALOWS]

Great point, floyd was taught, but to his credit , he took it into adaption
Pep was straight defensive

True. Floyd is better at offense/defense than Pep, but not Pernell. Benitez is up there too.

[Jc8804]

Great point, floyd was taught, but to his credit , he took it into adaption
Pep was straight defensive

[BUNGALOWS]

Ok , i will , i look at like im giving both fighters some love ,
By even mentioning them . They are ATG's

And it opens up conversation on the fighters themselves and test fans knowledge
, but when i do this , i expect fans to jump in and praise these guys for their greatness, an use their knowledge to disect and outcome, some avoid it cause
They dont even know who these guys are!

I love jmm style , but pep is just so fast on his feet and lightning with his head movement. Juan gets puzzled imo as pep lands points

Pep doesnt ever get mentoned one of the best defensive fighters of all time, but he truely was a gem. Juan would have to lead

Pep is either #1 or #2 on most people's best defensive lists. You're talking about NSB posters. All they know is Floyd.

They don't realize that Benitez and Pernell were better "natural" defensive fighters. Floyd was taught. With Benitez, Sweet Pea and Pep, it was like their mutant ability at birth.

[LacedUp]

You going to take that from him?

Take what? There's a section dedicated to these type of threads where posters will actually take their time and dissect ch fighters qualities and flaws. When you post these threads on NSB you'll often get a bunch of trolls talking about things they don't know anything about.