I think floyd mayweather is top 10 of all time

[Poet682006]

thats not why he's making the thread. Its like Domination making a thread about lennox lewis fairly beating Vitali.

Hmmmmm.....good point.

[The Big Dunn]

FLoyd could have fought anyone after the oscar fight,,,,

I think pre-oscar fight floyd didnt bring enough money and was way too much risk and not much name value for floyd,,,,

Oscar fight turned Floyd into the face of boxing and the top $$$$ guy of the sport,,,, much like oscar, tyson, SRL,, ali,,,,,, Those guys could make any fight they wanted to,,, and they all took the big fights,, except for maybe tyson

after the oscar fight floyd could have made any fight he wanted to

If floyd was like oscar he would have:
fought shane after the oscar fight,,, instead of shane fighting cotto,,
then in 2008 instead of a fake retirement, he could have fought hatton and cotto, much like how oscar fought ike, tito, and shane in 17 months


Floyd could have easily made the fight,,, all he had to do was let arum run the promotion,,, and floyd is his own boss, he calls the shots, but he used arum as a built in excuse,,, arum was never going to share anything with GBP but Floyd doesnt need GBP, he could have just as easily been a joint venture between may promotions and TR,, FLoyd could have made all the demands in the world, and arum would have bent over backwards for floyd, just for the chance to be the promoter of the biggest $$$ fight ever in the history of boxing, and probably the biggest global event since ali-foreman/frazier....

But for whatever reason, floyd doesnt want to do business with arum, even though arum built floyd up to ppv level, paid off his debts to james prince, etc


I put alot of blame on floyd because he is the main money guy and top draw in all of boxing,, with that status comes great power, but floyd never used it to land the best fights,,,
He would rather fight guys like ortiz, ghost, and have fake retirements

You are using things you can't possibly know about arums business and stating them as fact to support why you blame floyd. Your basic premise is floyd should have gone back and made the fights with the guys who rejected him because it was for the good of boxing.

Where is the equal contempt for these men for not fighting floyd until he was the big star? You are not specifically saying it but you are suggesting floyd owed it to us and the sport to make fights with men who put money first when floyd was too dangerous.

Tell me how floyd is any different? And please, don't tell me its because odh fought fleix and shane fought vernon and manny fought ledbawa and barrera. Floyd fought castillo.

I can respect your arguement so long as it applies to everyone.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

You are using things you can't possibly know about arums business and stating them as fact to support why you blame floyd. Your basic premise is floyd should have gone back and made the fights with the guys who rejected him because it was for the good of boxing.

What am i saying that is so wrong about arums business,, he didnt want to share the promotion with GBP which doesnt even have floyd under contract, Floyd uses them but he could have easily made a deal between mayweather promotions and TR..... My premise is that he should have fought guys that rejected him, my premise is that floyd could make any fight he wanted to after the oscar fight and he chose to go into retirement and fight b-level guys and shot and old fighters,, If floyd wasnt going to fight guys that had rejected him in the past, then why did he finally fight cotto and shane,, Why did he finally fight them,, because they were easy shop-worn targets
Where is the equal contempt for these men for not fighting floyd until he was the big star? You are not specifically saying it but you are suggesting floyd owed it to us and the sport to make fights with men who put money first when floyd was too dangerous.
All the guys that rejected floyd fought equally dangerous fights and were getting paid, its not like oscar and shane were fighting bums, so yes when floyd got on their level of stardom and brought big money, then yes they should have fought,, Floyd didnt bring any money to the table,, once he did he could get the fights,, as simple as that,, and last time i checked, shane and cotto in 2007-08 would have brought huge money to the table. Its simple economics
Tell me how floyd is any different? And please, don't tell me its because odh fought fleix and shane fought vernon and manny fought ledbawa and barrera. Floyd fought castillo.
Oscar and shane were ppv fighters getting paid millions, floyd was a non ppv fighter who brought very little money to the table,, it wasnt till floyd got the gatti, judah, baldomir ppvs that he became a player in the ppv market, Last i checked tito, forrest both brought big money, and i dont know why you bring up manny at that time,, he was a sbw fighter and brought no money in terms of ppv, hence why MAB-manny 1 was hbo and rematch was ppv,, because manny brought money second time around...
I can respect your arguement so long as it applies to everyone.

No denying the fact that when floyd held the power that oscar and shane did in the late 90's early 2000's he didnt seek out the best fights,,, oscar and shane both sought out the very toughest competition ie tito, winky, each other, forrest, hopkins, vargas, and floyd has settled b-level fighters and shot and faded fighters and when he takes a risk he wants a catchweight,, Like you said, why should floyd fight guys that rejected him earlier in his career,,, but then why did he eventually fight them,, if he had a grudge because they said no earlier,, then why does floyd say no in 07-08 but then say yes in 2010-2012, when both and shane and cotto were faded past prime fighters,,, why??????? answer is because he dodges threats

[Verstyle]

One thing I forgot to mention is that Whitaker at his best would basically play with Mayweather.

No one would play with someone as good as Floyd..no 1

[The Big Dunn]

No denying the fact that when floyd held the power that oscar and shane did in the late 90's early 2000's he didnt seek out the best fights,,, oscar and shane both sought out the very toughest competition ie tito, winky, each other, forrest, hopkins, vargas, and floyd has settled b-level fighters and shot and faded fighters and when he takes a risk he wants a catchweight,, Like you said, why should floyd fight guys that rejected him earlier in his career,,, but then why did he eventually fight them,, if he had a grudge because they said no earlier,, then why does floyd say no in 07-08 but then say yes in 2010-2012, when both and shane and cotto were faded past prime fighters,,, why??????? answer is because he dodges threats

No the answer is floyd put profit first just like them. Floyd wasn't fighting at 154 so its hard to fight those guys.

[FerFAL]

If you cant think of 25 ATG before fking Floyd you have no place in a boxing forum. Floyd doesnt make the top 100 ATG list. Not because of who he fought. Not because of what his boring a$$ fights generate.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

No one would play with someone as good as Floyd..no 1

I tend to agree with you,,, i think pernell and floyd are about identical in skills, i just favor pernell because he took on huge challenges which is the only thing you can complain about with floyd... but your right,, floyd isnt an easy fight for anyone.

No the answer is floyd put profit first just like them. Floyd wasn't fighting at 154 so its hard to fight those guys.

Yet in 2007-08 cotto, shane, margs, and pwills was all there,,, i dont worry too much about pwills vs floyd,,, williams hadnt done enough to land a huge mega fight, but cotto, shane and margs would have been huge ppv's for floyd,, especially shane in late 2007, instead of cotto-shane, if it was shane-floyd that would have been a monster ppv,, bigger than when they fought in 2010,,, and cotto in the summer of 2008,,, undefeated cotto vs undefeated floyd at 147 for all the glory would have been a monster ppv,,,, but instead we got floyd and a fake retirement and cotto-margs,,,,,

[Oasis_Lad]

Boxing Scene> The Comedy Store.

[The Big Dunn]

I tend to agree with you,,, i think pernell and floyd are about identical in skills, i just favor pernell because he took on huge challenges which is the only thing you can complain about with floyd... but your right,, floyd isnt an easy fight for anyone.



Yet in 2007-08 cotto, shane, margs, and pwills was all there,,, i dont worry too much about pwills vs floyd,,, williams hadnt done enough to land a huge mega fight, but cotto, shane and margs would have been huge ppv's for floyd,, especially shane in late 2007, instead of cotto-shane, if it was shane-floyd that would have been a monster ppv,, bigger than when they fought in 2010,,, and cotto in the summer of 2008,,, undefeated cotto vs undefeated floyd at 147 for all the glory would have been a monster ppv,,,, but instead we got floyd and a fake retirement and cotto-margs,,,,,

I may not agree with you but you make very good points in a professional manner. I can respect that.

In late 2007, Hatton was next for the floyd/odh winner. Its hard to argue SHane /floyd would have been bigger with shane coming off collazo win as opposed to 2010 coming off destroying plastertonio when he was recognized as the best ww in the world.

Floyd wasn't fighting in 08, he was dancing and rassling. He got lucrative opportunities and took advantage of them. Perhaps, if odh, cotto, shane had not refused to fight floyd prior to this, maybe he doesn't seek income outside the ring.

Floyd left TR to ge a ODH shot. If you were floyd do you stay and fight Margs or fight the lineal champ in Baldo knowing a win gets you an ODH fight? EVERYONE takes the Baldo/ODH double.

Respectfully, I can understand your point that floyd could've uplifted boxing by making these fights and not pursuing other things. But I don't think he owed it to them or anyone. Floyd BEGGED odh and shane for fights and they turned him down. WHere is the condemnation for that? I don't think its right to burden floyd with that and justify it by saying well odh fand shane ought vargas and tito.

You have to acknowledge boxing is different in the ppv era. Floyd an Al are simply taking advantage of it. Now if you want to criticize them for it go ahead, but that doesn't mean floyd is responsible for fights not happening when they should have.

Floyd is not resonsible for making up for what odh, cotto, and shane didn't give fans before he retired just because he makes the big money now. Nor is he responsible for making up for manny walking away from the fight.

[Humean]

If you cannot come up with 10 fighters greater than Mayweather in the history of boxing then you either have very limited knowledge or little imagination. Mayweather would be somewhere between 20-50 on my all time list, holding hands with Pacquiao.