Will you give Haye credit if he beats Fury?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

He lost to Helenius. Don't make stuff up to fit whatever agenda you have.

Don't lie to yourself

[LacedUp]

You lilke causing problems don't you? ; -)

But I'll answer the question.

Haye unified the cruiserweight division. He's got skills. He's just not all that. But he's light years ahead of Fury. If Fury walks him down, shows skills and makes a fight out of it - wow!!! Props for Fury. If Haye lands heavy rights at will and moves away from Fury why would anyone give Haye credit for beating someone he was expected to beat?

Just like a healthy debate, nothing wrong with that.

I agree he's far ahead of Fury, but Fury is ranked above him in almost all the bodies. He's an active, top 10 ranked fighter with a couple of OK wins on his res. Why shouldn't Haye be given credit? I'm not saying he should be given massive credit, but at least credit for beating a legitimate top 10 ranked fighter, which a lot of people here give him stick for not having ever done.

[bklynboy]

Question is, would Wlad get credit for beating Fury?

No. Not this Fury. (Unless, somehow, he truly gets better in training)

[BattlingNelson]

Don't lie to yourself

So I guess you have Norton winning the HW championship over Ali then. Did Holmes beat Spinks in their second fight? What about Hagler? Didn't he beat Leonard? And what is Mayweathers record? Is he undefeated?

[LacedUp]

No. Not this Fury. (Unless, somehow, he truly gets better in training)

Fury would have been the best name on Wlad's res since Chagaev, excluding Haye.

And you better believe people would shout about it.

[LacedUp]

So I guess you have Norton winning the HW championship over Ali then. Did Holmes beat Spinks in their second fight? What about Hagler? Didn't he beat Leonard? And what is Mayweathers record? Is he undefeated?

Some of them, yes.

But I think there's a massive difference between losing a decision that could have gone both ways and getting straight up robbed. Chisora won 8-4 in my book.

[Weebler I]

So I guess you have Norton winning the HW championship over Ali then. Did Holmes beat Spinks in their second fight? What about Hagler? Didn't he beat Leonard? And what is Mayweathers record? Is he undefeated?

and Bradley beat Pacquiao?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So I guess you have Norton winning the HW championship over Ali then. Did Holmes beat Spinks in their second fight? What about Hagler? Didn't he beat Leonard? And what is Mayweathers record? Is he undefeated?

I have my opinion and it doesn't change over an "official" verdict because I am not a sheep.

Chisora-Helenius was a far worse decision than any of those. Everyone knows who won that fight. Stop it.

[Cinci Champ]

regardless its a big win the size and power difference is massive. its a big win if he wins. haye has struggled with tall opponents in the past

[Simurgh]

Neglecting Haye's BS, I still consider him to an excellent fighter. The level of athleticism, speed and power he has is something not often seen in HW.

If he hasn't talked so much rubbish prior to Wlad's fight and if he didn't do his toe thing I believe more people would respect him better. He is possibly the second best HW atm.

Also I don't think Fury is a bum. I think he is much better than Valuev that fought Haye. If he comes focused and disciplined he would make a competitive fight no doubt. I don't see Haye out-boxing him and I don't think Haye would be able to do the same thing he did against Valuev - Fury is much faster on his feet.

This is an interesting fight and I would give credit to the winner depending how they preform on a night. If Haye beats focused, disciplined, well-trained Fury he deserves all respect and IMO it would be his best victory up to date.