How would Wladimir Klitsckho have faired in the 90's

[LacedUp]

Well by the same logic imagine what would Wlad do to prime Lennox who shares 1:1 with Rahman (was KOed while in prime)... Something like that never happened to Wlad and he fought more than Lennox did. I mean you can use this argument in many ways.

Or one can say prime Lennox took two fights to beat Rahman, two to beat way past Holyfield and so on...
To make myself clear I am not implying anything with this I just want to make the point about this 'worst lennox beat vitali logic'.

When one talks about Vitali-Lennox it's not enough to say Lennox won and that's it. I mean we are boxing fans, we can take more from the fights, right...

No one can say how that fight would go. It's pretty evenly matched. Both fighters have own advantages.

And version of Vitali that fought Lennox would be beaten by this version of Wlad, 8 times out of 10.

Lennox was not in his prime vs Rahman. Don't know why you would think that. But yes, of course, it's the HW division.

And yes, of course nothing like that happened to Wlad. It's not hard when you're fighting guys like Mormeck and Pianeta. Oh right, and he did get KOd cold three times and fought life and death with Peter and has been on the floor something like 11 times in his career.

This version of Wlad would beat Vitali of '03? No he would not. In fact, HELL no. Vitali was a beast, and that glass chin of Wlad's would have cracked.

[LacedUp]

You do know that Wlad and Vitali are two diffrent fighters right? And it's funny how you call me a blind lover, one of the biggest Haye and Lewis lover on this board. DreamFighter is already here, jI guess it's just the matter of time when rest of your Brit buddies like JediVader and Own3d will come

It's funny when we talk about who the champion is, Klitschko seems to be one person. But going against your agenda, they are suddenly different.

If you had taken the time to properly read my post, it was a reference to the fact that Vitali of '03 would have eaten any version of Wlad. And that version of Vitali couldn't even beat a fat out of shape lewis.

Now Wlad has adopted the style Lewis perfected. But he lacks the proper killer instinct that Lennox had, plus he doesn't have the balls to go toe to toe.

[WizardKO]

@Op and Wladimir fans.

What is the OP asking? How well will this current version do? Or how well will Wlad do if he was born 10 years earlier?

This current version will do very well. He will be one of the champions.

If he was born 10 years earlier and had to progress THROUGH the 90's.. he's ****ed and you guys know it.

This CURRENT VERSION will do very well, but if he had to learn DURING the 90's.. that's a big issue. Instead of fighting Molia and Williamson to regain his confidence, he would have been fed to Bowe. Now can CURRENT Wladimir beat Bowe? Maybe. Can a PRE STEWARD version of Wlad beat Bowe? No.. come on even you guys must admit the Wlad who fought Sanders would have gotten knocked out by Bowe... That's what he will have to go through.

Remember Wladimir needed a long time to rebuild and to get to the level he's at right now. That long process would not had been an option in the 90's.

Wlad was given more time and given softer touches to build because during the early to mid 2000's there was no other heavyweight star outside of Lennox and Wlad was groomed as the heir. In the 90's.. an era packed with American HW Stars.. Wladimir would not have been groomed as a future heir or star.. He would have been fed right after the Sanders KO to a Bowe or a Young Lewis. His career would never have gotten off.

[Simurgh]

Lennox was not in his prime vs Rahman. Don't know why you would think that. But yes, of course, it's the HW division.

And yes, of course nothing like that happened to Wlad. It's not hard when you're fighting guys like Mormeck and Pianeta. Oh right, and he did get KOd cold three times and fought life and death with Peter and has been on the floor something like 11 times in his career.

This version of Wlad would beat Vitali of '03? No he would not. In fact, HELL no. Vitali was a beast, and that glass chin of Wlad's would have cracked.

Well against Rahman Lennox was younger than Wlad is now. Even prior to Tyson's fight (a more than year after) I remember Lennox saying he never was better.

Well Wlad fought Haye very recently, have you forgot I know one thing is that you rate Haye
Prior to that he fought Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chambers, Thompson - all of these I rate higher than Rahman.

No, Vitali that fought Lennox didn't have an experience to fight present Wlad. Wlad could either outbox him or cause him an injury (similar to what happened in Lennox's fight).

Vitali's best was against Gomez and Arreola.

[Jam Jars]

Well by the same logic imagine what would Wlad do to prime Lennox who shares 1:1 with Rahman (was KOed while in prime)... Something like that never happened to Wlad and he fought more than Lennox did. I mean you can use this argument in many ways.

Or one can say prime Lennox took two fights to beat Rahman, two to beat way past Holyfield and so on...
To make myself clear I am not implying anything with this I just want to make the point about this 'worst lennox beat vitali logic'.

When one talks about Vitali-Lennox it's not enough to say Lennox won and that's it. I mean we are boxing fans, we can take more from the fights, right...

No one can say how that fight would go. It's pretty evenly matched. Both fighters have own advantages.

And version of Vitali that fought Lennox would be beaten by this version of Wlad, 8 times out of 10.

How does Wlad beating a shot Rahman relate to Lewis-Vital? That isn't using the same logic at all. Wlad beat a shot Rahman, Vitali lost to past prime Lewis.

[WizardKO]

Well against Rahman Lennox was younger than Wlad is now. Even prior to Tyson's fight (a more than year after) I remember Lennox saying he never was better.

Well Wlad fought Haye very recently, have you forgot I know one thing is that you rate Haye
Prior to that he fought Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chambers, Thompson - all of these I rate higher than Rahman.

No, Vitali that fought Lennox didn't have an experience to fight present Wlad. Wlad could either outbox him or cause him an injury (similar to what happened in Lennox's fight).

Vitali's best was against Gomez and Arreola.

Ya but you can't judge careers like that. During Lennox's 2nd year he was fighting in a top 4 heavyweight tourney. What was Wlad doing during his 2nd year?

Wlad had longevity but the likes of Lewis got off to a much faster start.

If Lewis was in this era.. and had the benefit of smart promotion+bum feeding. He will be 50-0 prior to fighting a Pulev.. Lewis got started during 1990. At that time.. they were pushing him really fast because they felt that if they didn't, all those other heavyweight stars would be too hard to catch.

[Simurgh]

How does Wlad beating a shot Rahman relate to Lewis-Vital? That isn't using the same logic at all. Wlad beat a shot Rahman, Vitali lost to past prime Lewis.

I didn't get what you meant by this. I didn't mention Wlad beating Rahman (Rahman is not among Wlad's top10 victories).

My logic is that one fight couldn't tell the whole story - especially not the result of the fight ALONE.
One can say that McCall got the better of Lennox as he KOed him quicker which is obviously bizarre. That was my point.

Vitali-Lennox didn't tell me much at all. Is there anyone who didn't want the immediate rematch after that fight...

And to somehow relate that to Wlad is just... far fetched to put it nicely.

[The Hammer]

Even a guy like Tommy Morrison would give Wlad trouble.

No.

Prime Tommy Morrison would be easy work for Wladimir.

[LacedUp]

Well against Rahman Lennox was younger than Wlad is now. Even prior to Tyson's fight (a more than year after) I remember Lennox saying he never was better.

Well Wlad fought Haye very recently, have you forgot I know one thing is that you rate Haye
Prior to that he fought Chagaev, Ibragimov, Chambers, Thompson - all of these I rate higher than Rahman.

No, Vitali that fought Lennox didn't have an experience to fight present Wlad. Wlad could either outbox him or cause him an injury (similar to what happened in Lennox's fight).

Vitali's best was against Gomez and Arreola.

I'm sure you can appriciate that Lewis career started off much quicker and better than Wlad's. Age has nothing to do with prime (to a certain extent). Other than beating Tyson, Lewis had done everything else by the time he fought Rahman, and had said the only other thing he wanted was to fight Tyson.

Yes I rate Haye against the current crop of heavies, but he would have been a small fish in a big big pool in the 90's. The other four you mentioned are Wlad's best wins but are similar or worse than Lewis' Morrison's, Botha's, Grant's etc. In fact, I would put money on someone like Morrison, who Lennox screwed up royally, would have beaten every man on Wlad's resume. A primed Golota almost certainly would and Lennox knocked him out in the first. When he was considered the second best heavy.

Altogether, I am not dismissing Wlad, but I would find it extremely hard to justify putting him as a champion when he has not fought top competition.

[Simurgh]

Ya but you can't judge careers like that. During Lennox's 2nd year he was fighting in a top 4 heavyweight tourney. What was Wlad doing during his 2nd year?

Wlad had longevity but the likes of Lewis got off to a much faster start.

If Lewis was in this era.. and had the benefit of smart promotion+bum feeding. He will be 50-0 prior to fighting a Pulev.. Lewis got started during 1990. At that time.. they were pushing him really fast because they felt that if they didn't, all those other heavyweight stars would be too hard to catch.

I can't really agree on this. Wlad beat Byrd and became the champion while Lennox at the same age was still in amateurs.

No one anticipated Lennox being KO by McCall and Rahman, but it happened. There is no guarantee it wouldn't happen again if Lennox fought 10-15 more fights.

He wouldn't be 50-0 that's for sure