Can Boxing Fans criticise Pacquiao for his catchweight fights and accept that Ward

[Porter's Dad]

Ward deserves no criticism at all for the Dawson fight being at 168. That was ******ity on Dawson's part. What is Ward supposed to do, rectify Dawson's error for him? Who knows, maybe Chad is right and can make 168 healthy. But in boxing, you take every advantage you can get (legally). All this BS about Floyd being man enough to fight Cotto at his true weight.......please. He was happy to make JMM come to 142 and then not even make the weight himself.

The criticism for Pacquaio catchweights fights has always been OTT. I mean, someone of them weren't even CWs.

Oscar - That fight had to be at 147 due to the absurdity of a fight at 154 at the time. That would have meant Manny practically moving up 4 weight classes (he had only fought at 135 once) when even WW seemed a joke. If Oscar could have made that fight at 154 without here being an outcry, he would.

Hatton - I remember the Mayweathers running with this theory that Hatton had a hydration clause. What's funny is that if there was one, Ricky would have announced it within seconds of the loss. He was never one to hold back on excuses. This rumour was never substantiated but for a long time, people would bring this up.

What's interesting about the Cotto and JMM catchweights in this; people get pissed off that Manny didn't fight Miguel at 147 - and get pissed off he didn't fight JMM at 140.

So basically, they wanted Manny to fight Miguel at a weight suited to Miguel, and JMM at a weight suited to JMM. He's supposed to go up for Miguel and come down for JMM.

Do people not understand that the cash cow in this situation is not going to give the advantage of his status away? He's supposed to diminish his own advantages to suit the other guy in both scenarios?

FWIW, I always thought it was ****** on Freddie's part to insist on the Cotto CW. I understand they were still insecure about Pac being a true WW, and they wanted to take an advantage over Miguel, but I don't think it played a material difference in the fight - and just diminishes the achievement of a really great win.

[Bushbaby]

Why did Ward fight Dawson at 175 lbs, wouldn't Dawson be better there. Would Ward lose to Dawson at 175 lbs?

Simple, maybe because Dawson,(who issued the challenge), said he'd do it at 168 maybe??

[HeroBando]

Here's the counter, if Pacman already destroyed a (healthy) Cotto & beats him at anyweight. Why choose him, but only at 147??

Probably the most lucrative fight for Arum? I don't know he beats him at any weight, Cotto might beat him at 160 or 168. The point is, Pac is calling the shots between the 2. If Cotto won't agree to the basic parameters, set way back, no skin off Pac's back.

[D4thincarnation]

It wasnt 1 pound for Manny it was 2 and it was 6 mths later , if he just made the weight before why is it so hard for you fathom that 6 mths later that bit more was a killer , your an idiot if you think a few pounds cant really hurt you if its on the wrong side of your threshold .

What other facts are relevant , lets see , he went straight to 154 , refuses to try and make the larger 147 again saying he will never sacrifice his body like that again , and he was talking about 145 , he wanted 150 . and Manny sheeeeeeeet himself and went looking for a JWW thats shorter than him lol .

Dawson is a much bigger man which is relevant because 7 pound to him is equivalent to what ? in a smaller man , not 7lb lol ,, and maybe he can make that weight we dont know , it was Dawsons call not Wards , Cotto didnt call Manny out at 145 , that was all Manny , only a biased fool would try and muddy these very clear waters .

Your such a biased poster without a leg to stand on other than your own interpretation which is based on a lack of boxing knowledge = fail !

LOL Dawson is much bigger, not 300% bigger which is the difference even when you call it 2lbs vs 6lbs

And Cotto offer was 145lbs just like Dawson's offer was 168 lbs.

LOL you even think Pacquiao drained Oscar?

Prime example of a biased poster, take a look NSB.

[D4thincarnation]

Simple, maybe because Dawson,(who issued the challenge), said he'd do it at 168 maybe??

Cotto asked for the fight with Pacquiao to be at 145 lbs.

[hugh grant]

The same Pac haters on every thread and i only visit a few threads a day.

People hating on Pac just cos he showed a little insecurity about if he could perform at such a high weight initially, why not jail Pac for having insecurities and fears like the rest of us.

Whether the actual 2lb had any advantage can never be proved. Im sure Pac hoped it might help him, but whether it did can only ever be guessed.
Basically, the moral of the story is, no body who isnt a whingeing butt hurt cryer dont really care about the CW

[HeroBando]

Simple, maybe because Dawson,(who issued the challenge), said he'd do it at 168 maybe??

Hoya said he'd go down to 147 for Floyd, Hatton or Pac, yet lots of people will discount that win.

[Bushbaby]

Cotto asked for the fight with Pacquiao to be at 145 lbs.

No he didn't. Pacman wanted a mannyweight of 143. Cotto said he won't go any lower than 145. Cotto wanted the fight at 147. I understand you're not the brightest but saying you're not going lower than 145 is not asking for 145.

Hoya said he'd go down to 147 for Floyd, Hatton or Pac, yet lots of people will discount that win.

The lots of people you speak of is not me. Oscar made his get & got embarrassed that was not Pacman's fault. So your post is irrelevant.

[letsgobrady]

No blame for Ward, but how much credit, we'll have to see. Not that many called the ODLH Pac outcome in advance. One difference, Dawson is a full fledged lhw with no accomplishments at smw. Cotto is not a true sww, else he wouldn't be asking for a 150 cw against a sww bum in Margo one fight prior. Dawson never needed a cw at 175, esp not against a guy with one good eye.

the margarito fight is the only fight at 154 cotto asked for a catchweight for and he probably would have never asked for a catchweight if he didn't see many fight margarito at a catchweight.cotto had problems with the weight at 140 and yes ww seemed to be his best weight but he is a little older now so maybe 147 is not the best weight for him anymore.why did pacquiao not fight marquez at 135?if pacquiao would have came down to 135 would that have been alright being that manny has fought most his career at the lighter weights? cotto felt like fighting at 148 would hurt him dawson doesn't feel like fighting at 168 will hurt him

[D4thincarnation]

No he didn't. Pacman wanted a mannyweight of 143. Cotto said he won't go any lower than 145. Cotto wanted the fight at 147. I understand you're not the brightest but saying you're not going lower than 145 is not asking for 145.




The lots of people you speak of is not me. Oscar made his get & got embarrassed that was not Pacman's fault. So your post is irrelevant.

Yeah and Dawson wanted the fight at 175lbs but that wasn't get to land the Ward.

At least Cotto didn't have to drop down to 140 lbs to get the Pacquiao fight.