Can Boxing Fans criticise Pacquiao for his catchweight fights and accept that Ward

[Brother Jay]

Catchweights have always been part of boxing, so get over it. And it will continue to be part of boxing in the future. Sometimes you need them to make the fights you want to see where the fighters are not in the same division.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Pacs CW fight with cotto at 145. The only people who criticise Pac for that is cos of their hate for Pac, and not the actual CW.

Many people have had CWs before Pac had a CW with Cotto. But its like Pac has set a precedent and was the first to to do it. If these Pac haters dont want to talk about all the other boxers who did it, they are just hating and being spiteful, just as long as we know where we stand on this thats fine.

Yesir, kenny Powers, and deadlikeme are typical of the Pac haters, they voted its all Pacs fault. No point in trying to reason with these kids.

Again, there have always been catchweights in boxing. The problem with Pacquiao is that the stardom he has achieved is predicated on the two catchweight matches that he had. One at WW. The other at jrMW.

Without those two fights, Pacquiao would not even be considered at the top. Arum, Roach and Pacquiao has used name recognition of fighters who were once at the top to fool the masses into believing that Pacquiao beat top contenders/champions. Without them being top ranked three, the legacy value would be absent. Cotto was ranked 4th. Margarito wasn't even ranked as he was banned.

At the end of the day, these fighters are professionals. No one's forcing them to fight. If they feel it's ok then it's ok, who are we to question. Once they accept it, it's done, don't be going back.

Don't go accepting a fight at a catchweight then later on complain about it when you lose. That's just being a sad loser.

Hahahaha@the peasant defense. So because no one forces someone to fight means that the conditions are legitimate? How simple minded. So if Pacquiao managed to get Kelly Pavlik to drain down to 145lbs and he knocks him out, is that legitimate? According to your reasoning, it most certainly is!

No has argued that Manny did not win. The dispute lies within the legitimacy and therefore the value of the fight towards Pacquiao's legacy. Manny was able to win under special conditions that have negated any legacy value. If he was the warrior that you so desperately want him to be, he would have taken those fights without catchweights.

The biggest issue that you peasant morons refuse to acknowledge is that the way Arum, Roach and Pacquiao used the catchweights was a blatant tactic. Pacquiao had made the WW limit previously TWICE. There was no issue making weight for Pacquiao. Team Pacquiao just counted on certain groups of fans being so ****** as to not realize that Manny had made the limit before.

Catchweights are for men who cannot make weight and are facing insurmountable odds. Pacquiao had already proven he could make weight, but STILL insisted on draining his opponents.

Only those who are willfully oblivious pretend that these facts don't severely damage the perception and the reality of Manny Pacquiao's legacy.

Miguel's own words. 145 lbs was his offer. He would have probably prefered 147 but Dawson would have preferred to fight at 175 lbs too.

Here's a perfect example of a willfully oblivious peasant. The Cotto catchweight was just explained to you in depth .. shedding light on the fact that Cotto wanted a 147lbs fight, but Pacquiao was asking for a 143lbs fight. Pacquiao finally relented that he would meet at 145lbs, but it was NEVER Miguel's intention to have a catchweight fight in the first place.

Hence Miguel stating "I will not sacrifice my body again for Pacquiao".

But by the time you read this, you will have forgotten all of it 50 First Dates!

[D4thincarnation]

Here's a perfect example of a willfully oblivious peasant. The Cotto catchweight was just explained to you in depth .. shedding light on the fact that Cotto wanted a 147lbs fight, but Pacquiao was asking for a 143lbs fight. Pacquiao finally relented that he would meet at 145lbs, but it was NEVER Miguel's intention to have a catchweight fight in the first place.

Hence Miguel stating "I will not sacrifice my body again for Pacquiao".

But by the time you read this, you will have forgotten all of it 50 First Dates!

Hence, Cotto, saying, he wanted 145lbs from the beginning and said it would be no problem.

[hectari]

Again, there have always been catchweights in boxing. The problem with Pacquiao is that the stardom he has achieved is predicated on the two catchweight matches that he had. One at WW. The other at jrMW.

Without those two fights, Pacquiao would not even be considered at the top. Arum, Roach and Pacquiao has used name recognition of fighters who were once at the top to fool the masses into believing that Pacquiao beat top contenders/champions. Without them being top ranked three, the legacy value would be absent. Cotto was ranked 4th. Margarito wasn't even ranked as he was banned.



Hahahaha@the peasant defense. So because no one forces someone to fight means that the conditions are legitimate? How simple minded. So if Pacquiao managed to get Kelly Pavlik to drain down to 145lbs and he knocks him out, is that legitimate? According to your reasoning, it most certainly is!

No has argued that Manny did not win. The dispute lies within the legitimacy and therefore the value of the fight towards Pacquiao's legacy. Manny was able to win under special conditions that have negated any legacy value. If he was the warrior that you so desperately want him to be, he would have taken those fights without catchweights.

The biggest issue that you peasant morons refuse to acknowledge is that the way Arum, Roach and Pacquiao used the catchweights was a blatant tactic. Pacquiao had made the WW limit previously TWICE. There was no issue making weight for Pacquiao. Team Pacquiao just counted on certain groups of fans being so ****** as to not realize that Manny had made the limit before.

Catchweights are for men who cannot make weight and are facing insurmountable odds. Pacquiao had already proven he could make weight, but STILL insisted on draining his opponents.

Only those who are willfully oblivious pretend that these facts don't severely damage the perception and the reality of Manny Pacquiao's legacy.



Here's a perfect example of a willfully oblivious peasant. The Cotto catchweight was just explained to you in depth .. shedding light on the fact that Cotto wanted a 147lbs fight, but Pacquiao was asking for a 143lbs fight. Pacquiao finally relented that he would meet at 145lbs, but it was NEVER Miguel's intention to have a catchweight fight in the first place.

Hence Miguel stating "I will not sacrifice my body again for Pacquiao".

But by the time you read this, you will have forgotten all of it 50 First Dates!

I think Chad Dawson cutting down to 168 is a far worse drop in weight than Miguel Cotto fighting at 145 one pound less than he weighed for Clottey, Cotto is even a slower and softer version at 154. He is a natural 140-147 pounder who fights at 154 because he doesn't want to cut weight. Chad Dawson is not a natural 168 pounder, it would be like Sergio Martinez saying I will fight Pacman at 147 for the WBO title, everyone would not side with Pacman they would call it pathetic and cheap coward move, but these are the same guys here defending Ward if he fights Dawson at 168, saying Dawsons said he will go down. Well if Sergio said he can make 147 since he is a small 160 pounder like he claims whats the difference? Dawson is a big 175 pounder.

Its better just for people to admit to their bias and say of course I wont give Pac credit because I hate his guts, I will give guys I dont mind credit for the same things Pac does because I dont hate them.

[hectari]

this pac.tard is out his mind, manny ducked the cotto floyd fought, and there wasnt a chance in hell this cotto could beat floyd, yet pac feared him.. pac just wont fight above 147, seems margarito beat the manhood out of him with one of his body shots...

Manny ducked the Cotto, that Floyd fought? BS, you guys were saying Another BS fight if Pacman rematches Cotto, we dont want to see that recycled garbage, pacman will just beat him at 150 or 154, now that Floyd signed to fight him he became a dangerous fighter, all of a sudden he was no longer washed up or shot, even though Cotto was slower at 154 than at 147.



Just come out and say you are biased, and stop trying to pretend like everyone else is biased but yourself. You know damn well if Pac fought Cotto even at 154 you wouldnt give him credit, you would say big deal why rematch a guy you already destroyed?

And Margarito beat the manhood out of him? wtf? Pacman didn't fall he is a warrior he didn't quit like Ortiz or Alexander in that fight. So you look for a shot that he over came to make him like a *****? ******* don't fight like Pacquiao they fight defensive style.

And Pacman is a former 106 pound fighter he knows the size cut off, and that was his cut off, he has the right to know his cut off, but sadists like you will do anything to see this man get beat and to discredit him because you want Floyd to look the best.

[Brother Jay]

I think Chad Dawson cutting down to 168 is a far worse drop in weight than Miguel Cotto fighting at 145 one pound less than he weighed for Clottey, Cotto is even a slower and softer version at 154. He is a natural 140-147 pounder who fights at 154 because he doesn't want to cut weight. Chad Dawson is not a natural 168 pounder, it would be like Sergio Martinez saying I will fight Pacman at 147 for the WBO title, everyone would not side with Pacman they would call it pathetic and cheap coward move, but these are the same guys here defending Ward if he fights Dawson at 168, saying Dawsons said he will go down. Well if Sergio said he can make 147 since he is a small 160 pounder like he claims whats the difference? Dawson is a big 175 pounder.

Its better just for people to admit to their bias and say of course I wont give Pac credit because I hate his guts, I will give guys I dont mind credit for the same things Pac does because I dont hate them.

I don't hate Manny Pacquiao. I detest the way that Arum and Roach have spun the man's story in order to:

#1 make money

and

#2 discredit Floyd Mayweather .. who has fought the #1, 2 & 3 fighters to make a legitimate legacy based on rank and quality of opponent ... using no vacant titles or catchweights to make that case either.

Why would I defend Dawson or Ward? I like them as fighters but Dawson has made the decision to challenge SMW champion Ward. So your analogy makes no sense.

And BTW, half of Martinez' fights were at WW. Just so you know. That's where he got knocked out by Margarito, in case you hadn't heard.

[Lords]

Hence, Cotto, saying, he wanted 145lbs from the beginning and said it would be no problem.

Hey genius, of course Cotto would say 145 would be no problem, with all that money on the line do you honestly think Miguel would let that fight get away from him because manny didn't have the balls to fight him at 147? Leading up to the fight did you expect Miguel to admit that making 145 pounds would take alot out of him and wont be 100% for the fight? And do you honestly think Miguel would say after the fight that making 145 took to much out of him and he felt weak? That would just be an excuse in everybodys eyes therefore he isnt going to say those kinds of things. While Manny was singing karaoki with his team having a good time Cotto was busting his balls tryin to make weight, who do you think is going to be 100% come fight night?

[D4thincarnation]

Hey genius, of course Cotto would say 145 would be no problem, with all that money on the line do you honestly think Miguel would let that fight get away from him because manny didn't have the balls to fight him at 147? Leading up to the fight did you expect Miguel to admit that making 145 pounds would take alot out of him and wont be 100% for the fight? And do you honestly think Miguel would say after the fight that making 145 took to much out of him and he felt weak? That would just be an excuse in everybodys eyes therefore he isnt going to say those kinds of things. While Manny was singing karaoki with his team having a good time Cotto was busting his balls tryin to make weight, who do you think is going to be 100% come fight night?

Hey Genius, why do you think Dawson said 168lbs?

[tranquilo]

pactarts getting owned repeatedly

they must hate life

[HeroBando]

Again, there have always been catchweights in boxing. The problem with Pacquiao is that the stardom he has achieved is predicated on the two catchweight matches that he had. One at WW. The other at jrMW.

Without those two fights, Pacquiao would not even be considered at the top. Arum, Roach and Pacquiao has used name recognition of fighters who were once at the top to fool the masses into believing that Pacquiao beat top contenders/champions. Without them being top ranked three, the legacy value would be absent. Cotto was ranked 4th. Margarito wasn't even ranked as he was banned.



Hahahaha@the peasant defense. So because no one forces someone to fight means that the conditions are legitimate? How simple minded. So if Pacquiao managed to get Kelly Pavlik to drain down to 145lbs and he knocks him out, is that legitimate? According to your reasoning, it most certainly is!

No has argued that Manny did not win. The dispute lies within the legitimacy and therefore the value of the fight towards Pacquiao's legacy. Manny was able to win under special conditions that have negated any legacy value. If he was the warrior that you so desperately want him to be, he would have taken those fights without catchweights.

The biggest issue that you peasant morons refuse to acknowledge is that the way Arum, Roach and Pacquiao used the catchweights was a blatant tactic. Pacquiao had made the WW limit previously TWICE. There was no issue making weight for Pacquiao. Team Pacquiao just counted on certain groups of fans being so ****** as to not realize that Manny had made the limit before.

Catchweights are for men who cannot make weight and are facing insurmountable odds. Pacquiao had already proven he could make weight, but STILL insisted on draining his opponents.

Only those who are willfully oblivious pretend that these facts don't severely damage the perception and the reality of Manny Pacquiao's legacy.



Here's a perfect example of a willfully oblivious peasant. The Cotto catchweight was just explained to you in depth .. shedding light on the fact that Cotto wanted a 147lbs fight, but Pacquiao was asking for a 143lbs fight. Pacquiao finally relented that he would meet at 145lbs, but it was NEVER Miguel's intention to have a catchweight fight in the first place.

Hence Miguel stating "I will not sacrifice my body again for Pacquiao".

But by the time you read this, you will have forgotten all of it 50 First Dates!

You think the Margo fight made Pac? Cotto didn't hurt, but you don't remember Pac was p4p no 1 and the biggest draw in the sport even before Cotto? The Margo fight received mostly negative press in advance, except from Atlas, who didn't think Pac had what it takes to get past Marg.

[Bushbaby]

Manny ducked the Cotto, that Floyd fought? BS, you guys were saying Another BS fight if Pacman rematches Cotto, we dont want to see that recycled garbage, pacman will just beat him at 150 or 154, now that Floyd signed to fight him he became a dangerous fighter, all of a sudden he was no longer washed up or shot, even though Cotto was slower at 154 than at 147.



Just come out and say you are biased, and stop trying to pretend like everyone else is biased but yourself. You know damn well if Pac fought Cotto even at 154 you wouldnt give him credit, you would say big deal why rematch a guy you already destroyed?

And Margarito beat the manhood out of him? wtf? Pacman didn't fall he is a warrior he didn't quit like Ortiz or Alexander in that fight. So you look for a shot that he over came to make him like a *****? ******* don't fight like Pacquiao they fight defensive style.

And Pacman is a former 106 pound fighter he knows the size cut off, and that was his cut off, he has the right to know his cut off, but sadists like you will do anything to see this man get beat and to discredit him because you want Floyd to look the best.

It is a fact that Pacman chose Cotto in 2012 no higher than a mannyweight of 148, period.