The Jermain Taylor that beat Hopkins vs the current Sergio Martinez

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  • Atreyu Khalil
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    #21
    Originally posted by Light_Speed
    Hmmm a lot of people have better defense than Martinez, both Barker and Macklin landed about 40% of their power punches on Martinez. Williams landed more punches on him than he did on Lara and landed at a higher %.

    Spinks was a very slick fighter, harder to hit than Martinez.
    That version of Spinks was not even a MW. Taylor had a horrible time with Spinks. I do agree the fight would be competitive but Taylor didn't have the best stamina and he was easy to hit. I think in the late rounds Martinez would've knocked him out. Taylor has horrible defense

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      prime taylor would have to train hard, but if he did he'd jab his way to a decision. the chest. hard double jab. eventually it would start to connect with martinez face as he tried to duck out of the way

      i can see taylor busting him up with the jab. again, this is a well conditioned and undefeated jermain taylor against a 37 year old martinez who has been struggling with much lesser fighters than taylor

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        #23
        Originally posted by New England
        prime taylor would have to train hard, but if he did he'd jab his way to a decision. the chest. hard double jab. eventually it would start to connect with martinez face as he tried to duck out of the way

        i can see taylor busting him up with the jab. again, this is a well conditioned and undefeated jermain taylor against a 37 year old martinez who has been struggling with much lesser fighters than taylor
        I see what you are getting at....but the Taylor that beat Hopkins struggled with a Southpaw that wasn't even a MW and didn't have any power. Cory is not an offensive fighter & Taylors defense is horrid.

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          #24
          Originally posted by New England
          prime taylor would have to train hard, but if he did he'd jab his way to a decision. the chest. hard double jab. eventually it would start to connect with martinez face as he tried to duck out of the way

          i can see taylor busting him up with the jab. again, this is a well conditioned and undefeated jermain taylor against a 37 year old martinez who has been struggling with much lesser fighters than taylor
          No matter what the fight looks like Sergio will have the advantage going into the championship rounds.

          Fighting Sergio won't be easy and when round 9 and 10 happens Jermain will struggle. Prime Jermain will struggle.

          Sergio will take advantage and most likely KO Taylor in the final rounds.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Atreyu Khalil
            I see what you are getting at....but the Taylor that beat Hopkins struggled with a Southpaw that wasn't even a MW and didn't have any power. Cory is not an offensive fighter & Taylors defense is horrid.


            to be fair to corey spinks, while he lacks the athletic gifts of martinez he is a sound boxer. i dont want to defend a boxer for not training but taylor really didnt train for that fight.

            again, if we're going to take him on his best night he'll be in better shape than that.

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              #26
              Originally posted by ThePhantom5
              No matter what the fight looks like Sergio will have the advantage going into the championship rounds.

              Fighting Sergio won't be easy and when round 9 and 10 happens Jermain will struggle. Prime Jermain will struggle.

              Sergio will take advantage and most likely KO Taylor in the final rounds.

              perhaps. if jermain had a deficiency it was in his gas tank and his pacing. he also lost the ability to think a bit strategically as he went down the stretch.

              as for the notion that he'll get stopped i don't see it. some people think martinez to be a one punch knockout artist. i dont see it.


              there's also the possibility of course that jermain lands on his chin with the type of stuff that macklin, barker, dzinziruk, were able to land. he's a much better offensive fighter. if he threw in the wrinkles they did with their boxing, and got to sergio the way they were able to with their limited skills, then he'd put sergio down. he wasnt a great finisher, but those guys were able to touch sergio up. JT would put him down if he landed his sunday punches the way they were able to.

              taylor could punch. big right hand and big left hook. he was fast too. fast enough. enough of a chin to walk through sergio's stuff if it did start to land.

              i still think the fight would be won on the jab. he'd back sergio up the way pavlik did, but he'd have the speed to score the points.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Atreyu Khalil
                even a prime JT was never "elite".....I don't agree with that.
                LOL if JT is not elite then Martinez has never been in the ring with an elite fighter.

                Originally posted by Atreyu Khalil
                That version of Spinks was not even a MW. Taylor had a horrible time with Spinks. I do agree the fight would be competitive but Taylor didn't have the best stamina and he was easy to hit. I think in the late rounds Martinez would've knocked him out. Taylor has horrible defense
                Martinez is a small middleweight himself, he weighed in at 157 against Macklin. JT's defense and lack of head movement have always been his weaknesses but we don't know how Martinez would deal with a quick fighter with power and a guy bigger than anybody he's fought except Pavlik.

                Originally posted by New England
                to be fair to corey spinks, while he lacks the athletic gifts of martinez he is a sound boxer.
                Yup Spinks has better fundamentals than Martinez.

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                  #28
                  Would be a good fight for Martinez. TAYLOR. HAS GOOD RANGE. AND Jab to give Sergio problems, but would late by. Taylor's fatigue

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                    #29
                    Taylor by wide decision. martinez has never fought anyone even close to the skills as taylor. too big, too strong, good jab, solid countering and overall much better fundamental skills. this is a prime taylor we're talking about he was a very good fighter people have forgotten already.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Light_Speed
                      Hmmm a lot of people have better defense than Martinez, both Barker and Macklin landed about 40% of their power punches on Martinez. Williams landed more punches on him than he did on Lara and landed at a higher %.

                      Spinks was a very slick fighter, harder to hit than Martinez.
                      I'm not thinking Martinez has defense. But, this version of Martinez has better defense than that version of Spinks. That version of Spinks wasn't the same Spinks of the WW days. That version of Spinks really wasn't all that good.

                      Originally posted by Atreyu Khalil
                      That version of spinks was over the hill and wasn't even a MW. I mean the WW Judah KO'ed him and the MW champ of the world just chased him around the ring all night.

                      I agree.

                      That version of Spinks had no business at MW and really business in giving Taylor a tough fight.

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