Cotto has a good chance of beating mayweather!

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  • GrandpaBernard
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    #111
    Originally posted by akScoundrel
    Oh, so we are acting like it was mannys body work that did cotto in now? mosley hit cotto in the body harder, more often. And manny did catch some check left hooks, tho it ultimately didnt matter. Mayweather aint hurting cotto with a jab to the body, lets just get that fantasy over with. Im not saying mayweather doesnt have a good jab, he does, he has an even better lead right, and as such he uses it more often. Cotto's jab is fast enough, his timing is superior and throws it at ackward times, and has authority on it.

    His jab will give mayweather problems. If cotto doesnt get any other punch working, then i do believe mayweather can adjust to the jab. But if cotto brings his right hand, body work, uppercuts, etc, than it will be even more difficult.

    I dont know why you keep bringing up mosley. The mosley that cotto fought still had some left in the tank was alot better than the mosley that mayweather fought. 07 mosley wasnt gunshy. The mosley that mayweather fought was gunshy, tho when he did throw, buckled mayweather.
    Do you have trouble remembering what you said? pacquiao is being brought up as an example because this amazing counter hook that you claim Miguel Cotto has to stop straight punches to his body was non-existent against pacquiao. Of course its easier for you to try to change the subject because you and I both know Cotto would have no answer for Mayweather's jab to the body. If you can't counter to stop pacquiao's slower punch thrown with short arms you aren't countering a faster one with more reach.

    You don't have to hurt someone with a jab to the body. You use it to break up their rhythm and prevent them from getting going. Did Mayweather ever hurt or knock down Corrales with a jab downstairs? No. Did he stop Corrales from getting anything going with that punch? Yes

    Cotto has inferior timing. He couldn't time pacquiao like Marquez did, and Mayweather has better timing than Marquez. What fights are you watching?

    Cotto's uppercut means nothing. The uppercut is the punch Mayweather is least open to due to his good positioning.

    Why are you conveniently ignoring that Mayweather whooped DLH's ass and even won the jabbing contest at times? Because Oscar has a superior jab and hook to Miguel?

    Mosley was brought up as an example of how it doesn't take up your ass pressure to discourage Cotto.
    Last edited by GrandpaBernard; 01-27-2012, 08:50 PM.

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    • ~AK49~
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      #112
      Originally posted by GrandpaBernard
      Do you have trouble remembering what you said? pacquiao is being brought up as an example because this amazing counter hook that you claim Miguel Cotto has to stop straight punches to his body was non-existent against pacquiao. Of course its easier for you to try to change the subject because you and I both know Cotto would have no answer for Mayweather's jab to the body. If you can't counter to stop pacquiao's slower punch thrown with short arms you aren't countering a faster one with more reach.

      You don't have to hurt someone with a jab to the body. You use it to break up their rhythm and prevent them from getting going. Did Mayweather ever hurt or knock down Corrales with a jab downstairs? No. Did he stop Corrales from getting anything going with that punch? Yes

      Cotto has inferior timing. He couldn't time pacquiao like Marquez did, and Mayweather has better timing than Marquez. What fights are you watching?

      Cotto's uppercut means nothing. The uppercut is the punch Mayweather is least open to due to his good positioning.

      Why are you conveniently ignoring that Mayweather whooped DLH's ass and even won the jabbing contest at times? Because Oscar has a superior jab and hook to Miguel?

      Mosley was brought up as an example of how it doesn't take up your ass pressure to discourage Cotto.
      I dont really intend to go round and round with this argument, with nothing new being said. The beauty of it is, fights are won and lost in the ring. Not on paper, and not on internet forums. Mayweather needs to fight cotto. Unless he chooses martinez, anyone else besides cotto is unnacceptable imo.

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        #113
        Originally posted by PrinceCharlez
        This is a typical ******* COMMENT...

        If anyone knows boxing they know that floyd has fought a top rank fighters since he was WITH TOP RANK. Thats why he hasnt fought clottey, margarito, cotto, or pacquiao. And that thus explains why manny has and is probably bout to fight another top rank fighter BRADLEY....Floyd isnt ducking them. Bob just wants to keep all the money. It gets old explaining this to *******s because they have **** for brains.

        Cotto was an exciting fighter, but has to be one of the worse technical fighters i've seen in a LONG time. Honestly i dont see how the guy made it this far. He has poor foot work, horrible defense, bad endurance, he jumps forward when throwing punches instead of keeping his ground, breaks under pressure, and he can't keep a trainer. The only fight that cotto REALLY looked good in was against zab and everyone knows what kind of heart zab has.....Up to that fight, cotto was getting wobbled, staggered, did the chicken dance...

        floyd will stop cotto at 154 and 147 EASY!
        That's how he got in trouble most of the times, he constantly keeps his head out when he throw his punches. It's easy for opponents to hit him accurately when he does it, even a slow puncher like Margarito.

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          #114
          In my opinion Floyd will always be a difficult fight for any boxer within his weight class, but at 154 Cotto has a good chance of winning.

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          • GrandpaBernard
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            #115
            Originally posted by akScoundrel
            I dont really intend to go round and round with this argument, with nothing new being said. The beauty of it is, fights are won and lost in the ring. Not on paper, and not on internet forums. Mayweather needs to fight cotto. Unless he chooses martinez, anyone else besides cotto is unnacceptable imo.
            same we know pacquiao isn't going to fight him, so it's either Martinez or Cotto that's acceptable

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            • Canelo Phresh
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              #116

              You...

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              • Syf
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                #117
                Originally posted by IMDAZED
                His ring intelligence for sure. Cotto's jab will give him problems. And Cotto's kinda smart himself. You know where I stand though...Floyd is at that point. One more fight, maybe two before the fall goes from descending to crash landing.
                This I don't agree with. Saying he's been on the decline since Baldomir? And then going as far as to say a fall is imminent?

                Floyd today would knock out Carlos Baldomir. So the fading version of Floyd would do better than the closer to prime Floyd? Simply because of size you would contend? No, its also how he uses his tools differently now, and how is overall demeanor in the ring has changed.

                He used to purely fade back and look for countering opportunities. Now, he walks to his opponents, smothering them, and taking them off balance and taking their range.

                The way Floyd fights, he will still be winning fights in his mid 40's ALA Hopkins. He will still have the same tools, he will just have to adapt the use of them as he ages. And Floyd is one of the best adapters of all time. That and his minimal punishment style will preserve him for a while yet... more than 1-2 fights.

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                • CasualBoxingFan
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                  #118
                  Originally posted by akScoundrel
                  Obviously nobody is gonna outskill mayweather, but i believe he can be outwilled. I dont see mayweather having what it takes to take cotto out of the fight, i.e. cotto is gonna keep coming. Cotto would do a huge disservice to himself to not focus on mayweathers body, especially when mayweather is against the ropes. When he is on the ropes, he is usually more focused on rolling from head shots, and his body is pretty open. Focus on the body, and the head will open up. Cottos jab will also cause problems for mayweather.

                  Cotto would be mayweathers toughest/most credible opponent to date. In no way should we accept 'he is pacs leftovers' bit. This is a sport, in which the best fight the best. If mayweather doesnt fight him, he's scurred.

                  I see this fight playing out like the judah-cotto fight, with cotto slowly waring out mayweather, and still coming.
                  lol....
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                  • lefthook2daliva
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                    #119
                    I dunno' about a good chance, but it seems like Victor was gettin' to Floyd a little bit.

                    Imo Cotto (in every way) > Ortiz, so Cotto has a chance, yeah.

                    Maybe he can push Floyd into an extravagant display of his virtuosity. Make him call on all of his talents and give a peak performance, which I would enjoy seeing almost as much as a Cotto win.

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                    • Syf
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                      #120
                      Originally posted by lefthook2daliva
                      I dunno' about a good chance, but it seems like Victor was gettin' to Floyd a little bit.
                      Imo Cotto (in every way) > Ortiz, so Cotto has a chance, yeah.

                      Maybe he can push Floyd into an extravagant display of his virtuosity. Make him call on all of his talents and give a peak performance, which I would enjoy seeing almost as much as a Cotto win.
                      a few clean hits

                      SSM got him better

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