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Boxing as a whole is still plagued with the old school methods being the best, but there are moves being made especially by top boxers.
For example: Weight lifting, the majority old school fighters and trainers believed weight lifting to be counter-productive, which is very far from the truth. It does not slow a boxer down and its not gonna make a fighter unable to move faster. If done properly weight lifting is extremely beneficial to boxers and can make them stronger and faster.
HIIT: Old school boxers conditioning rested on for the most part road work and what was left in the ring or on the bag. Running 10 miles at a steady pace will not benefit a fighter in a 8 round fight. Boxing is a largely anaerobic sport with only some aerobic moments. Steady pace running for 10 miles is aerobic conditioning. HIIT, which stands for high intensity interval training, is anaerobic 'roadwork' if you will. It trains the body in a way for it to be prepared for the anaerobic activity in the ring. An excellent example of this would be the work Remi Korchemny (sprint coach, affiliated with Victor Conte) does with Andre Berto in this video where they use resistance bands for running.
Diet and Nutrition: This has come leagues from the early years of boxing, which makes it laughable that you consider Jack Johnson had the same diet knowledge we have now. To keep it brief but to the point I will just say now we know what the body needs, and how much of it to either raise or lower weight in a healthy way. Look at what Alex Ariza is doing for Manny, or as I said earlier Victor Conte for Berto. Do you really think in Jack Johnson's time they would have recognized a iron deficiency in him as the did for Berto?
I concede that the basic fundamentals of boxing are still learned largely the same way, but that is the same for every sport. With the knowledge we have now on the body boxers can be more athletic and just overall more effective fighters.
Maybe your right though, I'am just 'dreaming'.
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Ugh I just wrote all that and no one is replying....Comment
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Boxing requires a competitor to be multi-talented, what a person lacks in one attribute he can make up in another. This is why you often times see a tough, determined kid beat up a superiorly skilled and athetically gifted opponent. Toughness is a big part of the sport because unlike in most other sports, you pay a physical price for any mistake you make, and it's arguable that people have gotten more "comfortable" and less tough in recent times.
Compared to a 100m sprint, where a competitor only runs a from beginning to end, a person is bound to get better at it through the process of repeating and correcting any mistakes. Boxing obviously requires a lot more, so much in fact that there will rarely be a close to perfect fighting machine. Most fighters have flaws, styles make fights, and the majority of boxers lose at some point in their careers, often to arguably inferior boxers. A 45 year old dinosaur from the past was able to one shot a much younger, well-conditioned champion in the case of George Foreman-Michael Moorer.
The sport has also become less popular, especially in the United States. No longer does every young person strive to be the heavyweight champion when there are other less dangerous and higher paying lines of work available in sports, which may not have been the case decades ago.
The equipment and training techniques also haven't greatly changed from what they were. You could argue that the sport has actually become less demanding. Many boxers today find it difficult to pace themselves for the 12 round distance and fights are stopped early and often. What's lacking in the teaching of skill seems to be compensated with greater knowledge of diet and conditioning techniques although the truthful results of these can be arguable.
There are also weight limits, which prevent size differences from taking place. A 147 lb man from the 1950s was the same size as a 147 lb man today. Obviously there's the dehydration and weight-making practises but there are also negatives to it, such as it taking away from one's stamina. The only differences of size are in the heavyweight division, where a great amount of the boxers actually do not take advantage of the advancements in nutrition, as seen from the poor condition of many of them, aside from the top few who have used this to their advantage.
Take the above example, Berto sure is a great athlete but can we really say he is a greatly skilled boxer?Last edited by TheGreatA; 12-27-2011, 10:37 PM.Comment
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It's a nostalgic thing I think. People act like you've committed sin if you say any current fighter would have beaten or is better than the old time fighters. They set it up where it's impossible for the sport to ever evolve. If nobody can be better than past fighters then the sport is doomed to go downhill. People are ******ed, it's that simple.Comment
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Cherry picking. You think past eras never had any pudgy fighters?Watch a video of Sugar Ray Robinson throwing combinations and show me the current middleweight who can do the same. The Heavyweight division is an embarassment and is actually in worse shape than fighters of the past.
^^^Is this a joke? WHy does the guy on the right have "Fast Eddie" on his lard stomach? Has to be an elaborate hoax surely.
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You don't know shi.t from shoe polish.Boxing as a whole is still plagued with the old school methods being the best, but there are moves being made especially by top boxers.
For example: Weight lifting, the majority old school fighters and trainers believed weight lifting to be counter-productive, which is very far from the truth. It does not slow a boxer down and its not gonna make a fighter unable to move faster. If done properly weight lifting is extremely beneficial to boxers and can make them stronger and faster.
HIIT: Old school boxers conditioning rested on for the most part road work and what was left in the ring or on the bag. Running 10 miles at a steady pace will not benefit a fighter in a 8 round fight. Boxing is a largely anaerobic sport with only some aerobic moments. Steady pace running for 10 miles is aerobic conditioning. HIIT, which stands for high intensity interval training, is anaerobic 'roadwork' if you will. It trains the body in a way for it to be prepared for the anaerobic activity in the ring. An excellent example of this would be the work Remi Korchemny (sprint coach, affiliated with Victor Conte) does with Andre Berto in this video where they use resistance bands for running.
Diet and Nutrition: This has come leagues from the early years of boxing, which makes it laughable that you consider Jack Johnson had the same diet knowledge we have now. To keep it brief but to the point I will just say now we know what the body needs, and how much of it to either raise or lower weight in a healthy way. Look at what Alex Ariza is doing for Manny, or as I said earlier Victor Conte for Berto. Do you really think in Jack Johnson's time they would have recognized a iron deficiency in him as the did for Berto?
I concede that the basic fundamentals of boxing are still learned largely the same way, but that is the same for every sport. With the knowledge we have now on the body boxers can be more athletic and just overall more effective fighters.
Maybe your right though, I'am just 'dreaming'.
Old school fighter DID LIFT WEIGHTS they just didn't over-do it...Why is that so hard to understand?????????????
Weight lifting doesn't seem to be helping modern fighters..especially trash like Berto..
Jack Johnson drank PURE water...breathed PURE air...and ate PURE food...He didn't need a fa.g like Ariza for anything.
If you're basing your argument on scabs like Pacman and Berto you're actually making my case for me....lol
I don't see any fighters today more "effective" than the guys in the 15 round days...especially Berto and Nanny sue...
NONE of what you say has produced a better fighter...not ONE...Comment
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To put it simply, take a look at the p4p from 30 years ago and compare it to today's:
1 - Thomas Hearns
2 - Sugar Ray Leonard
3 - Marvin Hagler
4 - Larry Holmes
5 - Alexis Arguello
6 - Wilfredo Gomez
7 - Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
8 - Matt Saad Muhammmad
9 - Wilfred Benitez
10 - Roberto Duran
10 - Aaron Pryor
Can anyone in their right mind claim that today's line-up looks better?
1. Manny Pacquiao (33 years old)
2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. (34 years old)
3. Sergio Martinez (36 years old)
4. Nonito Donaire
5. Andre Ward
6. Juan Manuel Marquez (38 years old)
7. Wladimir Klitschko (35 years old)
8. Pongsaklek Wonjongkam (34 years old)
9. Timothy Bradley
10. Vitali Klitschko (40 years old)
What was once considered a "young man's game" seems to dominated by older men who have been around for decades.
We can't claim this for another sport.Comment
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