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    by David P. Greisman - He is not Manny Pacquiao. He is not Floyd Mayweather Jr. He couldn’t beat Victor Ortiz. He’s never faced Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito or Shane Mosley.

    Andre Berto is not just maligned for who he isn’t and what he hasn’t done – he is also derided for what he is and what he does.

    He fights on HBO and has been spotlighted as a future star and preeminent talent. He has appeared on the network for each of his last 10 fights over these past four years. In total, he has been on an HBO undercard or main event on a dozen nights. He has been paid millions of dollars for doing so.

    He is all of this despite what he isn’t – a proven entity, a ticket seller, one of the best 147-pound fighters in the world.

    Much of this is not his fault, and yet he is vilified, rooted against. He is a fighter who might just have more doubters than he has supporters.

    They say he ain’t nothing, that he’s over-hyped, ripe to be exposed, a media creation.

    They might be right.

    This is his welterweight burden. He profits from the attention heaped upon him, the money spent marketing the latest protagonist in this pugilistic plotline. HBO has stars and champions and seeks those who will replace them, or at least challenge them, introducing characters into what is essentially episodic programming. [Click Here To Read More]

  • #2
    Victor Ortiz has been in two enjoyable bouts this year: the loss to Ortiz and the win over Zaveck.
    Typo there, shouldn't it be "berto has been in two enjoyable bouts"...

    2. Bending the truth – and the space-time continuum – with Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Victor Ortiz on Episode 2 of “24/7 Mayweather-Ortiz”:

    Ortiz: “I was nine years old when I said to myself, ‘I’m going to beat him one day, bro. I’m going to give him his first loss.’ ”

    As others have noted after the previous time Ortiz uttered this, Ortiz turned nine in January 1996 and Mayweather turned pro in October 1996. It’s possible that, say, Ortiz watched Mayweather in the Olympics and set his sights on him. But it’s not plausible.

    Mayweather: “Victor Ortiz is 24. I’m old enough to be the boy’s father. So I’ma son him.”

    Mayweather was nine when Ortiz was born. No big deal compared to Ortiz’s questionable story; Mayweather’s comment was merely meant in jest.
    I lol'd
    10. Sticking with underwear news, we saw photographs last week showing that Victor Ortiz is the model for a website called Freshpair.com.

    Hey, if this line of work is good enough for Jim Palmer and Michael Jordan, it’s okay for Ortiz.
    great point, even if those guys weren't modeling such tight undies.

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    • #3
      Honestly, if Berto fights 3 more tough fights then he can fight bums or tomato cans for the rest of his career.

      Berto needs a high profile match then all of the critics will be silenced because evidence will point that he fought great and better opponents in his resume. Right now it looks plain with one standout and that is Victor Ortiz's name.

      He needs to at least beat not necessarily Ortiz but a Matthysse, a Maidana, or even a Devon Alexander. Just saying he needs more tougher opponents in his resume for the critical hardcore boxing fans to be silenced.

      NOTE
      The video below is my sig since we can't put music videos or any videos for a sig.

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      • #4
        very good and accurate description of where Berto stands in the sport -- so far he's shown that he's an exciting action fighter with major defensive liabilities, an undisciplined offense style and some stamina problems -- there is also the perception that big money is behind him that has resulted in his being unjustly favored by fight judges, fighting cherry-picked opponents and having a taint of illegal substance use -- also many feel that he tends to fight 'dirty' at times -- the bottom line on why many boxing fans have not embraced Berto is that they think he's overrated and has been overprotected

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        • #5
          Berto got another belt, so he'll get a chance to step up. I don't expect the Pac-PBF stalemate to change. One of them may well choose him as their next opponent after their upcoming fights. Ortiz will be available for a rematch. Khan will be coming up to 147 soon. Maybe Alexander will want Berto since he won a belt. The guy will get an opportunity. His last 2 fights have been pretty good. Don't know if he'll ever get to the superstar level but he can prove his worth as a fighter.

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          • #6
            Too many good boxers @ 147 and moving up to that weight that will hang an L on berto's record and I'm certain he'll avoid most of them...as for all the big $ he's earning, I doubt if he sees mmore'n 40% of it after expenses for mgr, trainer, sparring andd taxes, and who knows what else...that's the reality...

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            • #7
              Blah blah freakin blahh bla blah blahhh.

              Infamous and loving it!!!

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              • #8
                Berto is in a really good spot IMO. I can see Bob Arum wanting to put Pac in the ring with him next.

                Cotto was in the same boat Berto is in now a few years ago even though Cotto won a vacant title vs nobody and Berto actually beat a title holder nobody. Yet Bob still picked to fight Cotto who was coming off the WORST 2 fights of his career. Berto is in the same boat.

                Like I said, Berto is in a good spot to land a Pac fight next. I'm sure bob will set a nice "tune up" for Berto like they did for JMM. Don't be surprised. I'm sure nobody wants to see this because Berto is shyt right? We all know Bob doesn't care what the fans think. However, I look forward to seeing people jump the hate ship if Bob selects Berto next and not Floyd (i'm sure they will make an excuse of the Lawsuit being the reason the fight didn't get made, that or USADA is still biased and mean to Pac).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by WESS View Post
                  Berto is in a really good spot IMO. I can see Bob Arum wanting to put Pac in the ring with him next.

                  Cotto was in the same boat Berto is in now a few years ago even though Cotto won a vacant title vs nobody and Berto actually beat a title holder nobody. Yet Bob still picked to fight Cotto who was coming off the WORST 2 fights of his career. Berto is in the same boat.

                  Like I said, Berto is in a good spot to land a Pac fight next. I'm sure bob will set a nice "tune up" for Berto like they did for JMM. Don't be surprised. I'm sure nobody wants to see this because Berto is shyt right? We all know Bob doesn't care what the fans think. However, I look forward to seeing people jump the hate ship if Bob selects Berto next and not Floyd (i'm sure they will make an excuse of the Lawsuit being the reason the fight didn't get made, that or USADA is still biased and mean to Pac).
                  you forgot to consider arum's policy. inhouse fights at cw.considering all that berto has no chance at all to score a pac fight. arum already has mike jones as backup. and cotto is an arum fighter aswell so that's a moot point. either way pac ko2 berto.

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                  • #10
                    He'll probably use twitter to call out Mayweather, Ortiz and Pacquiao for a fight.

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