Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – ‘The Ghost’ Makes Himself Disappear

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by David P. Greisman - His popularity grew out of a wealth of power and a dearth of pretense. There was nothing artificial about Kelly Pavlik. He need not box and weave and move, not when he could just get hit and then hit back even harder. He was blue collar, punching in and punching out, true to his roots in the steel city of Youngstown, Ohio. He still lived there, even after the championship, the spotlight and the seven-figure paydays.

Celebrity can uproot even the most grounded. Sometimes the symptoms don’t present themselves until the fame has begun to fade.

“Kelly Pavlik is still one of the biggest names in boxing,” Pavlik said last week, resorting to the third-person in an online radio interview with Alec Kohut of MaxBoxing.com. “It is,” he added, in case he hadn’t yet convinced his audience.

Pavlik was in the news last week because he’d decided not to fight in two fights. He would not face Lucian Bute, one of the three best 168-pound fighters in the world, in November in Montreal. Nor would he face Daryl Cunningham in what was to be a tune-up bout to help Pavlik prepare for Bute.

The Cunningham fight was supposed to take place in Youngstown. It was supposed to take place on Aug. 6. Pavlik pulled out on Aug. 2.

“It’s not about fighting for Youngstown,” Pavlik said. “It’s about me.” [Click Here To Read More]

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Pavlik is a tattoed side show who has little appeal to most Americans. The tattoed alcoholic clown without a title belt and a couple of rehab degrees and no High school degree is basically trailer trash. His own hometown basically disowned pavlik. Plus he hasn't really been a champion in or out of the ring. Drink to that Pavlik.

[The Hammer]

It's rare to see any boxer receive as much attention as Kelly Pavlik has received the past few days from writers such as David Greisman here at boxingscene and Michael Rosenthal at The Ring website.

Is he REALLY all that important of a fighter right now? Is Pavlik's backing out of the fight with the journeyman Cunningham such a major event in the sport? I don't think so.

I know those guys are having fun making sarcastic/ridiculing comments about this poor, confused alcoholic, but since alcoholism is a illness according to the experts, making fun of Pavlik is the equivalent of ridiculing someone with any other illness or disability.

These writers should be focusing on the many interesting UPCOMING FIGHTS, instead of going on and on about Kelly Pavlik.

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Boxing doesn't need this tattoed quitter disgrace Pavlik. 168lb has actual real fighters that matter hard working clean cut non alcoholics that put Pavlik to shame. Middleweight has Martinez and the drunk pavlik wants no part of him. Basically boxing is telling Pavlik to take his circus freak show tattoed butt and go back to alcoholism and fight that battle one that the Pav cannot back out of. Career over no loss go get another tattoo to make yourself look more ******.

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word out of the Covelli center in Youngstown was than only 50 tickets were actually sold for the pavlik fight and to basically to avoid a huge embarrassment and tremendous shame Pavlik cancelled his fight. Plus he was 15 pounds overweight. when your hometown abandons you that is a huge statement. Pavlik has mental issues along with alocholism and a problem with marring his scarred body with colored tattoo ink.

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Pavlik is a tattoed side show who has little appeal to most Americans. The tattoed alcoholic clown without a title belt and a couple of rehab degrees and no High school degree is basically trailer trash. His own hometown basically disowned pavlik. Plus he hasn't really been a champion in or out of the ring. Drink to that Pavlik.

Why do you have a guy who assassinated Martin Luther King Jr. in your avatar?

[jbpanama]

by David P. Greisman - His popularity grew out of a wealth of power and a dearth of pretense. There was nothing artificial about Kelly Pavlik. He need not box and weave and move, not when he could just get hit and then hit back even harder. He was blue collar, punching in and punching out, true to his roots in the steel city of Youngstown, Ohio. He still lived there, even after the championship, the spotlight and the seven-figure paydays.

Celebrity can uproot even the most grounded. Sometimes the symptoms don’t present themselves until the fame has begun to fade.

“Kelly Pavlik is still one of the biggest names in boxing,” Pavlik said last week, resorting to the third-person in an online radio interview with Alec Kohut of MaxBoxing.com. “It is,” he added, in case he hadn’t yet convinced his audience.

Pavlik was in the news last week because he’d decided not to fight in two fights. He would not face Lucian Bute, one of the three best 168-pound fighters in the world, in November in Montreal. Nor would he face Daryl Cunningham in what was to be a tune-up bout to help Pavlik prepare for Bute.

The Cunningham fight was supposed to take place in Youngstown. It was supposed to take place on Aug. 6. Pavlik pulled out on Aug. 2.

“It’s not about fighting for Youngstown,” Pavlik said. “It’s about me.” [Click Here To Read More]

PAVLIK, has boxed himself into OBSCURITY!!!

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by David P. Greisman - His popularity grew out of a wealth of power and a dearth of pretense. There was nothing artificial about Kelly Pavlik. He need not box and weave and move, not when he could just get hit and then hit back even harder. He was blue collar, punching in and punching out, true to his roots in the steel city of Youngstown, Ohio. He still lived there, even after the championship, the spotlight and the seven-figure paydays.

Celebrity can uproot even the most grounded. Sometimes the symptoms don’t present themselves until the fame has begun to fade.

“Kelly Pavlik is still one of the biggest names in boxing,” Pavlik said last week, resorting to the third-person in an online radio interview with Alec Kohut of MaxBoxing.com. “It is,” he added, in case he hadn’t yet convinced his audience.

Pavlik was in the news last week because he’d decided not to fight in two fights. He would not face Lucian Bute, one of the three best 168-pound fighters in the world, in November in Montreal. Nor would he face Daryl Cunningham in what was to be a tune-up bout to help Pavlik prepare for Bute.

The Cunningham fight was supposed to take place in Youngstown. It was supposed to take place on Aug. 6. Pavlik pulled out on Aug. 2.

“It’s not about fighting for Youngstown,” Pavlik said. “It’s about me.” [Click Here To Read More]

I am disappointed in David Greisman's excellent article this week and here is why. I have read at least 4 interviews featuring Kelly Pavlik all complete and un-edited. Not a SINGLE one of them mentions ANYTHING like the following disclosure from David Greisman, "There's $3 million in the fight, we're cashing out on him, and we're going to pocket $2 million, he's going to lose the fight and we're done with him."

Some ARE mentioned but in different contexts and not together. Pavlik's interviews were very long and rather rambling and repetitious, but the above single quote is about 3-4 quotes put together and taken out of context. That's the way it seems to me anyhow. If I am wrong I will be happy to apologise.

The above extract from this article is obviously referring to Top Rank, Pavlik's promoter, who ALWAYS gets a HUGE bashing on this site.

BUT.........Whilst Pavlik mentioned Top Rank several times, he said not a SINGLE derogatory word about them. He was full of the HIGHEST compliments, how fair they were to him, how well they treated him, how he has NOTHING bad to say about them, that they are the BEST and that they have always done their best for him and he is grateful to them.etc.etc.

So I ask....................WHY was this not mentioned in David's Article whilst we are allowed to think that Top Rank is assuming it's "usual" (for BoxingScene) "Dirty Dog" low life Promoters "hat".........??

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Why do you have a guy who assassinated Martin Luther King Jr. in your avatar?

Is that who the picture is..I was assuming that it was of "FASTBLACK himself. Truly, since he posted quite a few "off-the-wall" comments in the last day or two.

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Is that who the picture is..I was assuming that it was of "FASTBLACK himself. Truly, since he posted quite a few "off-the-wall" comments in the last day or two.

This guy James Earl FASTBLACK also seems to have some sort of obsession not only against Pavlik, but with ink marking, and tattooing generally. He mentions it PROMINENTLY and DEROGATIVELY in EVERY post.