How come so many so called Boxing fans think that the Slick Boxer types are skilled?

[gatorDelux]

Its intellignet for some fighters to brawl/swarm.....

they know what they have to do to win.

[AntonTheMeh]

Max Kellerman thought that

He got hit too much even earlier in his career. He really didn't have that "make opponent miss" thing.

according to tim smith, so did the guy who trained both of them.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-03-04/sports/28669589_1_zab-judah-ibf-junior-welterweight-title-fighter

i don't know. i recall him pretty slick. he might have not been the slickest, but he was plenty.

[Spray_resistant]

There is this unfounded idea that slick defensive styled boxers are somehow superior to fighters with other styles but you show me a fight where someone got out boxed by a fighter using speed, angles, and countering and I will point to just as many cases where someone was pressured and broken down in an intelligent manner.

[Phil Ivey]

Why do idiots classify certain fighters as 'slick' when _CLEARLY_ they're not?

And also skill involves offense so its ridiculous to say Duran, JCC etc are just brawlers because their offense was like no other.

[ablindwatchmakr]

There is this unfounded idea that slick defensive styled boxers are somehow superior to fighters with other styles but you show me a fight where someone got out boxed by a fighter using speed, angles, and countering and I will point to just as many cases where someone was pressured and broken down in an intelligent manner.

People may disagree with me, but I just watched the Cotto/Margarito fight, and that's exactly what I think I saw--Margarito took it to Cotto's body with single minded purpose. Of course he threw head shots, but he was definitely very strongly inclined to go after Cotto's body. If Cotto had been able to keep moving in that fight, he would have won cleanly, but I think those body shots are what slowed Cotto down in the later rounds.

I know he may have used plaster, but his strategy was pretty intelligent. What do you think?

[Thread Stealer]

People just see a guy who is fast and uses the ring a lot and say he is "skilled" or "slick". People even call Malignaggi a "slickster". His defense consists of his legs and trying to lean back from shots. He is far from a slickster.

Different styles just require different sets of skills. Boxing isn't a Rocky film or The Simpsons and to be a great fighter, you have to have skills and be able to avoid shots. Even a fighter like Rocky Marciano, known for his toughness and taking shots, was effective in his awkward, crouching defense.

A pressure fighter like Duran was excellent at cutting off the ring (footwork), picking his shots, throwing combinations, slipping shots or rolling with them to not take the full impact. Same with Chavez. Their chins made them even more formidable.

Chavez's fight against Lockridge, in which JCC spent about 90% of it on the backfoot and using lateral movement, showed more boxing "skills" and proper footwork than many of the other fighters who get praised in these regards simply because they are fast and like to move around.

[ballgamessuck]

My personal take is that RJJ was very slick (naturally athletically gifted), but not as skilled. He got away with it until his speed left him and thats when he started losing. On the other hand Bhop was not as naturally gifted, or "slick", however he was always a student of the game and very skilled. He never had the speed or slickness of RJJ, but he is still a major factor and RJJ is not. Toney was both skilled and slick, as is Floyd Jr. As someone said earlier in this thread, it depends on your definition.

[The_Golden_Goy]

Having the ability to eat punches doesn't make you skillfull. If you're using your chin as a defensive mechanism, you wont last long. The art of boxing is to hit and not get hit. Simple as that.

A guy like Winky Wright wasn't "slick" but he sure was skillfull in that he had the technique to block a lot of punches instead of eat them.

i swear winky has some of the longest arms ever in boxing, he could block head and body punches at the same time

under-rated is Winky, like him alot. terrific technqiue and skill

[straightleft]

Like guys like Devon Alexander or Zab Judah as examples?

Because of their styles and their "slick" "elusive" style people always confuse every fighter of that type as being skilled?


And then when they see a Jake Lamotta, Roberto Duran (he was askilled boxer but gets confused by so for a sloppy brawler), Julio Cesar Chavez, Miguel Cotto Alfredo Angulo or Lucas Mattysse....And say that they are flatfooted and slow and have no technique or skill?


They should refraze it...... "I like his style" "I don't like his style"

The *****nks are to blame.

[King Ghidorah]

Good to see this discussion not turn into a race riot like so many other threads on this forum.....