How come so many so called Boxing fans think that the Slick Boxer types are skilled?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Lomatta and JCC certiainly were skillfull fighters in their own way, and yes more skillfull than Judah and Alexander. Like it was already mentioned, just because you try to be an elusive, 'slick', figter, doesn't mean you are. While Judah has had the all the tools be be great, he never put it all toegether. It still amazes how this guy keeps getting big oppertunities.

As far Duran is concerned, the man is legendary, mostly for his power and longevity. But, I wouldn't go as far as to say that his skills are up there with Mayweathers. Mayweathers skills are in the Class of Willie Pep, Pernel Whitaker, Nicolino Locche, these type of 'slick', elusive, master boxers don't come around very often.

Good post.

I think another thing people don't understand about boxing because they either have never done it or just think that being "slick" is being able to box.

For example, I will tell you a guy who is a very talented fighter and people might laugh but it's 100% true and I have heard many trainers in the gym say it.....Brandon Rios.

If you look at this guy from a distance or the type of fights he has you would think he's just a brawler, not true.

He is a very skilled inside fighter and he has something that is hard to teach, ACCURACY. His accuracy inside is great and he puts his punches together very well in combinations.

Being skilled isn't just from the outside, there is such a thing as an inside fighter and learning that craft as well.

[ablindwatchmakr]

Max Kellerman thought that

He got hit too much even earlier in his career. He really didn't have that "make opponent miss" thing.

Yea, I just watched the Judah/Cotto fight...If slick=getting punished, then Judah was slick, lol.

[» HE3R0 «]

It was a perfectly placed left hook that Hatton didn't even see--he practically had his hands down. That seemed like a fight where Hatton was just ****ty more than Pac was skilled, but I could be wrong. Pac is skilled though, not trying to argue that.

I think he was referring to the first KD.

Also, Hatton wasn't "just shi.tty", he was just the same Ricky that showed up in all of his prior fights. Good enough for all the others except for the two who are on a different level.

[gatorDelux]

duran was more or jsut as skilled a s may....

and he had the syle to beat may....

jsut cause somone is a "classic " boxer or a counter puncher doesnt mean they are more skilled than someone who swarms their opponent....

[L. Cipher]

There are slick fighters that are skilled and slick fighters that are not
Just like there are pressure fighter that are skilled and this that are not.
To call Roberto Duran or JCC unskilled brawlers is just wrong.

It's a matter of personal preference on which style any given fan prefers. I tend to Generally prefer "slick fighters " myself but that doesn't keep from appreciating and being a fan of skilled pressure fighters and brawlers.

[ablindwatchmakr]

I think he was referring to the first KD.

Also, Hatton wasn't "just shi.tty", he was just the same Ricky that showed up in all of his prior fights. Good enough for all the others except for the two who are on a different level.

I agree, I watched some of his old fights and agree. What I meant was that he was relatively ****ty. Your're right, totally outclassed. Had he not ever fought any fast, strong punchers with accuracy in the past? I would think that if he had, we would have seen him similarly obliterated.

[AllEyesOpen]

duran was more or jsut as skilled a s may....

and he had the syle to beat may....

jsut cause somone is a "classic " boxer or a counter puncher doesnt mean they are more skilled than someone who swarms their opponent....

Duran could beat anyone willing to fight his fight, I've never in my life seen Mayweather fight anyone's fight but his own. Very tough for Duran. Not saying it's impossible.

[jrosales13]

Duran could beat anyone willing to fight his fight, I've never in my life seen Mayweather fight anyone's fight but his own. Very tough for Duran. Not saying it's impossible.

Duran made people fight his fight.

And, Duran has beaten guys who fight like Floyd. Marcell at 130 being one, fought like the old version of Floyd from the lower weights. He beat SRL the first time and Leonard was fighting his fight. Leonard had to switch up and fight uncharacteristic for himself in the rematch. And, Floyd doesn't fight in that manner ever. Floyd now actually fights somewhat similar to Leonard as in the first fight. Fernandez was also similar at LW to the current Floyd.

All guys that Duran was able to beat.

If it was going to be very tough for anyone. It will be very tough for Floyd. But, not impossible.

But, going with their styles, skillset, IQ. I would have favored Duran heavily in a fantasy match up.

[» HE3R0 «]

But, Duran was a "come forward, swarmer" but at the same time evaded, slipped, ducked, and counter punch all at the same time while coming forward and being a swarmer.

How's that not being as skilled as someone as Floyd, B-Hop and others that you mentioned?

Wouldn't it take more skills to do the same thing with an offensive mindset than it would be doing it with a defensive mindset like the other skilled slick fighters do?

I agree that offensive fighters don't get enough credit.

It can get pretty annoying when a lot of people just regard defensive fighters as being the ones with the most "skill".

Definitely not enough credit to the more offensive-minded fighters. It takes skill to keep coming forward and slowly trap a boxer into a corner. The opening for the left hook to the liver doesn't just magically show itself. Sometimes, it seems people think that it's just luck when pressure fighters land a punch. Just because a fighter is swarming an opponent with a lot of punches, doesn't mean that he's not setting anything up.

It takes a lot of skill to cause the opponent to do what you want them to do. Even for offensive fighters.

[gatorDelux]

Duran could beat anyone willing to fight his fight, I've never in my life seen Mayweather fight anyone's fight but his own. Very tough for Duran. Not saying it's impossible.

for sure it would be tough for duran, floyd is great....

but i think duran at his best beats floyd at his best in a competitve fight.