Lets get rid of all the hate on guys fighting guys one weight class apart

**vacon04** · 07-31-2011, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by NationalWriter

I remember Bernard Hopkins was getting mad at Larry Merchant because he got mad that he was picking on 154 lb fighters when he was at 160 and B Hop said you know what it is larry 154 and 160 are basically the same thing. And I agree fully. Floyd apparently walks around 150-155 and Amir Khan is about the same so if floyd fights Amir and beats his ass people will call him a blown up light welterweight when in reality he is a real mutha fuggin welterweight.

You dont win a boxing match on weight....you win on boxing skill. You just gotta look at what they walk around at. Amir and Floyd are similar. So enough of this bull **** floyd fought abuncha blown up light welterweights when theyre the same motha fuggin thing

I agree that there are some situations in which some boxers that are one category apart can fight, but saying that for example 154 and 160 are the same is completely ******.

Pro boxers, and even regular guys who box just for fun, but especially pro boxers feel the difference when they pack 5 or 6 pounds, or when they lose 5 or 6 pounds. Those pounds can make the difference in terms of power, speed and stamina without a doubt.

It's important to say that for example a guy who's a 154 has a certain % of functional muscle mass that he can use to get power and speed, however if he wants to get to 160 he needs to gain mainly 5 pounds of FUNCTIONAL muscle mass, not 5 pounds of fat, which by the way is pretty easy to get. There are weight classes for a reason and especially in boxers that compete at top level, even 1 pound can make the difference.

**jrosales13** · 07-31-2011, 03:06 AM

Walking around weight? At one time both Hopkins and Hatton were the same walking around weight. I guess if they fought it would have been no big deal.

**Ring Leader** · 07-31-2011, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by vacon04

I agree that there are some situations in which some boxers that are one category apart can fight, but saying that for example 154 and 160 are the same is completely ******.

Pro boxers, and even regular guys who box just for fun, but especially pro boxers feel the difference when they pack 5 or 6 pounds, or when they lose 5 or 6 pounds. Those pounds can make the difference in terms of power, speed and stamina without a doubt.

It's important to say that for example a guy who's a 154 has a certain % of functional muscle mass that he can use to get power and speed, however if he wants to get to 160 he needs to gain mainly 5 pounds of FUNCTIONAL muscle mass, not 5 pounds of fat, which by the way is pretty easy to get. There are weight classes for a reason and especially in boxers that compete at top level, even 1 pound can make the difference.

Yes exactly. I even heard some hate on Sergio Martinez for fighting Dzinzirzuk or whatever his name is because he fights at 154.

**hebi** · 07-31-2011, 03:39 AM

I think one weight class is no big deal. In the old days, like hopkins said, they would have been in same class anyway.

It still is a bit annoying when guys are focusing only on guys moving up though.

**shadeyfizzle** · 07-31-2011, 04:00 AM

Now does this logic only apply to floyd and grandpa bernard? Or to all fighters??? Because the prevalent train of thought around here especially among floyd fans is that pacquiao is the b**ch regardless of whether he's fighting bigger or smaller guys. He fights a smaller guy he's stacking the deck in his favor. He fights a bigger guy he's weight draining or cherry picking tailor made fighters.

Ray* · 07-31-2011, 05:56 AM

For me one weight apart is no big deal, Mugabi fight Hagler and he was considered a legit win for Hagler till today, But nowadays boxers resume gets downgraded because of that.

**Rockin'** · 07-31-2011, 06:45 AM

One time I had ******ly agreed to a catchweight fight. I was fighting 147 and this other guy had been fighting at 140. When Jackie had told me of the fight I declined at first, there was no way that I was going to drop to 140. This fight was at an arena/stadium and was televised, I hadn't fought in a few months because guys kept backing out at the last minute. The guy that they wanted me to fight had knocked me cold about 3 years earlier in the golden glove state finals, I had greatly improved and wanted another shot at this guy aswell as the nice payday the arena normally gave me. We bickered back and forth and eventually came to a 142lb catchweight agreement, it would be the worst decision of my life. It killed me to lose those extra pounds, I was cut from head to toe with next to nobody fat, I normally walked around at 155lbs. Anyway, losing that weight killed me. I incurred a nasty lung infection during the training and went into this fight sick as a dog. Looking back I just should have had Jackie postpone the fight until the next months show but I was told by my trainer that if I backed out of this match that I would be blackballed and never fight in the state again. I found out later that those words were not true at all. What it comes down to is that pro fighters will walk around heavier than they fight. There is a comfort zone as to how much weight one can drop. It is not easy or safe for a fighter that fights at one weight to drop an extra 5 or 6 pounds to make weight. I lostthat fight that night by split decision, I was gassed with the lung infection after the 2nd round but managed to fight until the last bell. Catch weights, especially for title fights are bull****. If Paqciauo wants to fight bigger men than fight with in that weight classes limit as set by the governing bodies. A pro fighters body is finely tuned, losing those extra pounds can just about kill you........Rockin'

**Scary** · 07-31-2011, 07:02 AM

Originally posted by Rockin'

One time I had ******ly agreed to a catchweight fight. I was fighting 147 and this other guy had been fighting at 140. When Jackie had told me of the fight I declined at first, there was no way that I was going to drop to 140. This fight was at an arena/stadium and was televised, I hadn't fought in a few months because guys kept backing out at the last minute. The guy that they wanted me to fight had knocked me cold about 3 years earlier in the golden glove state finals, I had greatly improved and wanted another shot at this guy aswell as the nice payday the arena normally gave me. We bickered back and forth and eventually came to a 142lb catchweight agreement, it would be the worst decision of my life. It killed me to lose those extra pounds, I was cut from head to toe with next to nobody fat, I normally walked around at 155lbs. Anyway, losing that weight killed me. I incurred a nasty lung infection during the training and went into this fight sick as a dog. Looking back I just should have had Jackie postpone the fight until the next months show but I was told by my trainer that if I backed out of this match that I would be blackballed and never fight in the state again. I found out later that those words were not true at all. What it comes down to is that pro fighters will walk around heavier than they fight. There is a comfort zone as to how much weight one can drop. It is not easy or safe for a fighter that fights at one weight to drop an extra 5 or 6 pounds to make weight. I lostthat fight that night by split decision, I was gassed with the lung infection after the 2nd round but managed to fight until the last bell. Catch weights, especially for title fights are bull****. If Paqciauo wants to fight bigger men than fight with in that weight classes limit as set by the governing bodies. A pro fighters body is finely tuned, losing those extra pounds can just about kill you........Rockin'

Nice post! Guess we cleared up on this subject.

**Medved** · 07-31-2011, 07:13 AM

Originally posted by Rockin'

One time I had ******ly agreed to a catchweight fight. I was fighting 147 and this other guy had been fighting at 140. When Jackie had told me of the fight I declined at first, there was no way that I was going to drop to 140. This fight was at an arena/stadium and was televised, I hadn't fought in a few months because guys kept backing out at the last minute. The guy that they wanted me to fight had knocked me cold about 3 years earlier in the golden glove state finals, I had greatly improved and wanted another shot at this guy aswell as the nice payday the arena normally gave me. We bickered back and forth and eventually came to a 142lb catchweight agreement, it would be the worst decision of my life. It killed me to lose those extra pounds, I was cut from head to toe with next to nobody fat, I normally walked around at 155lbs. Anyway, losing that weight killed me. I incurred a nasty lung infection during the training and went into this fight sick as a dog. Looking back I just should have had Jackie postpone the fight until the next months show but I was told by my trainer that if I backed out of this match that I would be blackballed and never fight in the state again. I found out later that those words were not true at all. What it comes down to is that pro fighters will walk around heavier than they fight. There is a comfort zone as to how much weight one can drop. It is not easy or safe for a fighter that fights at one weight to drop an extra 5 or 6 pounds to make weight. I lostthat fight that night by split decision, I was gassed with the lung infection after the 2nd round but managed to fight until the last bell. Catch weights, especially for title fights are bull****. If Paqciauo wants to fight bigger men than fight with in that weight classes limit as set by the governing bodies. A pro fighters body is finely tuned, losing those extra pounds can just about kill you........Rockin'

Can I see your boxrec Rockin'? Thanks

Lets get rid of all the hate on guys fighting guys one weight class apart