Comments Thread For: Lennox Lewis: If Wladimir Beats Haye, I'm Still Better

[FrankieBruno]

Vitali didn't buckle or wobble at all. He was well on his way to stopping Lewis. It was a lucky occurance that Lennox opened cuts on Vitali because without that he loses.

i might have to download the fight online and make a gif showing u otherwise, if i can be bothered

vitali i'm afraid did wobble mid way through the fight,

[edgarg]

watched the fight and have it on video cassette recorded

lets not pretend like Vitali never shaked in the mid rounds when Lewis landed a cracking uppercut and Vitalis legs wobbled and he held on for dear life. Both fighters legs wobbled in that fight given the power of punches that were being thrown and the lack of defense. It was more like a backyard scarp than a boxing much

either man could have gone down with a blow, however vitalis lack of defense cost him the fight, both of them took the fight on short notice and it was evident there was no real game plan

lewis looked old and out of shape, but held his ground to win, that cut was nasty

Yes they both took the fight on short notice....BUT....... Lewis held up the Promoters for several mill extra to fight Klitschko, I heard 6 mill extra. Did you know THAT??

Lets just look at the "short notice". Lewis was in TOP SHAPE (as he said himself) because he was fighting the No. ONE Contender Kirk Johnson who was really unbeaten. His record was 33-1. The "loss" was a fake DQ against Ruiz when Ruiz was well beaten and faked the foul. I saw that fight, and all the commentators were agreed that Ruiz faked it.

Klitschko was to fight a 10 rounder with a no-name called Dave Bostice (I think correct me if in error). After the fight, Lewis was FORCED into agreeing to give Klitschko a rematch, and the 6th Dec 2003 was reserved for that fight. THEN....Lewis, to protect his fans, he said, insisted that Klitschko travel all the way to London to have his eye checked with his, Lewis's eye specialist. Klitschko's eye had healed within 2 weeks, in fact after 10 days the cut was invisible, and he went on TV just to show this.

But Lewis still wouldn't complete the deal, and in fact Klitschko fought Lewis's original opponent Kirk Johnson on that reserved Dec.6th date instead of Lewis. When Lewis saw Klitschko absolutely devour Johnson in a rd and a half, he must have known he had no chance in a rematch, so strung it out until April 2004, and came under commission pressure to defend against Klitschko.....so he RETIRED.

That's the whole, truthful, story, well documented. There's much more to a fight than just the result.

You know guys, I really get fed up having to go over the same stuff all the time for new ignoramuses. Why the hell don't they learn something before they begin posting.

[edgarg]

Big fan of both guys, but yeah, Lewis is better. Not by a whole lot, but I look at Lewis as one of the best heavyweights that ever lived (when he was in shape and gave a ****.)

Yes, one of the best heavyweights who ever lived,.....along with about 30 others.

[texasboi15]

If it wasn't for that cut vitali was gonna knock Lewis out,and if you say otherwise your fooling yourself

i say otherwise. after the rust got knocked off of lennox he started taking over that fight. and don't downplay the cut like it was from a headbutt or clash of heads. lennox inflicted the damage to the eye that ultimately finished the fight. vitali showed a lot of heart. he fought a valiant fight. but to say he was gonna knock lennox out is a bit overboard.

[Mr. Invincible]

You don't need to make excuses for Wlad's knockdowns - his defense has gone from below average to astounding and he went from a nervous shy fighter to a disciplined machine, being a late bloomer doesn't lower his rating to me at all

And more importantly, Lewis got KTFO by questionable competition too, so, if comparing the two on a career-long scale, how is it even a factor? They're pretty much tied in that area

Vitali however is in his own league and an ATG heavyweight

Nobody can even say jack **** about him or point out any flaws (sans his time off for injuries) so they go straight to belittling his opponents (who before he beat them, they were hyping, or when lewis fought them, were serious threats). He's, to me, the most fascinating modern boxer to watch in slow motion and mimic his technique, if you made him a foot shorter he would still be a champion in some division just via his parrying & countering technique

wlad and lewis are interesting to watch but just "good", don't let the quantity of meaningless belts they've collected propel them any higher

sadly, haye has hyped this fight so much that when Wlad knocks his socks off he will totally eclipse his more talented brother's career, that's how boxing and life in general works

I agree with this. Wlad only got knocked down by flashes or exhaustion. Lennox got flat out sparked by two journeymen.

As far as Vitali. He was going to stop Lennox. Hence, no rematch. Lennox knew it and so did his mamma. Lewis turned down a gauranteed 25 million for that fight. Anyone who does that is not very confident with victory. I bet Emanuel Steward told him not to face Vitali again too.

Vitali is probably the most talented heavyweight in terms of a complete package than there has been since probably Lennox Lewis himself and Joe Louis. You just can't really point out a major weakness anywhere in his game.

Heads up, Vitali would destroy Wladimir. Sorry to say.

[texasboi15]

could lennox come back?

[edgarg]

38? at 38 vitali was dominant world champion, excuse nullified

vitali beat on lewis, go watch the actual fight instead of listening to third party accounts from "yo dawgz"

he was winning on every card until a cut that affected his vision then being denied an obvious rematch - theres no room for opinion here, those are just facts, where as everything in your post is opinion

now for opinion since theyve never fought; as far as wlad being better than vitali, right now when vitali is over 40? yes

any other time, no, simply because wlad has to keep his distance and vitali dominates everywhere, outfighting, infighting, clinching, doesnt matter, hes always beating his opponent up and cant be knocked down, nobody has truly figured out how to beat vitali, his "losses" were stuff no betting man would consider losses during their research, only emotional fans scraping for dirt

vitali > wlad > lewis

wlad vs lewis would be closer than vitali vs lewis was, which was really just vitali beating on lewis before the cut then being denied a rematch, he straight up had his number and was a bad style matchup for him

Sorry, everything else is correct, but the cut did NOT affect his vision one little bit. The imbecile dr said he thought he couldn't open his eyelid and was blind in that eye, so stopped the fight. He then made a different excuse later.

[Mr. Invincible]

watched the fight and have it on video cassette recorded

lets not pretend like Vitali never shaked in the mid rounds when Lewis landed a cracking uppercut and Vitalis legs wobbled and he held on for dear life. Both fighters legs wobbled in that fight given the power of punches that were being thrown and the lack of defense. It was more like a backyard scarp than a boxing much

either man could have gone down with a blow, however vitalis lack of defense cost him the fight, both of them took the fight on short notice and it was evident there was no real game plan

lewis looked old and out of shape, but held his ground to win, that cut was nasty

Vitali didn't buckle or wobble at all. He was well on his way to stopping Lewis. It was a lucky occurance that Lennox opened cuts on Vitali because without that he loses.

[Toe Injury]

You don't need to make excuses for Wlad's knockdowns - his defense has gone from below average to astounding and he went from a nervous shy fighter to a disciplined machine, being a late bloomer doesn't lower his rating to me at all

And more importantly, Lewis got KTFO by questionable competition too, so, if comparing the two on a career-long scale, how is it even a factor? They're pretty much tied in that area

Vitali however is in his own league and an ATG heavyweight

Nobody can even say jack **** about him or point out any flaws (sans his time off for injuries) so they go straight to belittling his opponents (who before he beat them, they were hyping, or when lewis fought them, were serious threats). He's, to me, the most fascinating modern boxer to watch in slow motion and mimic his technique, if you made him a foot shorter he would still be a champion in some division just via his parrying & countering technique

wlad and lewis are interesting to watch but just "good", don't let the quantity of meaningless belts they've collected propel them any higher

sadly, haye has hyped this fight so much that when Wlad knocks his socks off he will totally eclipse his more talented brother's career, that's how boxing and life in general works

[edgarg]

The Peter KD's were #1) a rabbit pinch and completely illegal....#2) not a punch at all, but a MISSED lewft hook and a right glove grab and push down on Klitschko's shoulder. #3) a just missed or very slightly grazed rtd hand, wehen Klitschko, packpeddling very dfast, tripped back into the ropes and bounced to the canvas. He gor up immediately and continued with his boxing lesson. As you know he won every rd except for the fake KD's".

Even the commentators mentioned them. The ref was blind and ******.

The Sanders' KD's were more a huge head butt for the first one, at the same time as the punch, and which split his left eye. he was never KO'd but TKO'd kept getting up,wanting to continue.

The Purrity stoppage was by his corner after the 11th. he beat Purrity all over the ring for 10 rds. It was at the end of his 2nd year as a pro , age about 21-22, and his 25th fight in that short time. He weighed only about 220.

In other words he had very good reasons for all the KD's none of which had to do with either his chin or his skills. it's more than about time even the DUMBOS admitted this.

Sorry form typos.