Comments Thread For: Fighting Words: Klitschko-Haye Done, But Pacquiao-Floyd?

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by David P. Greisman - They are two of the best fighters at their weight, two fighters who have taken two years to face each other – two years of them being tantalizingly close to getting in the ring and yet torturously unable or unwilling to do so.

Wladimir Klitschko and David Haye will finally fight July 2.

Klitschko-Haye will be the latest in a run of big bouts that have come to fruition after prolonged periods of anticipation.

We got the rematch between Sergio Martinez and Paul Williams last November. We got a unification match between Timothy Bradley and Devon Alexander in January. And we got a bantamweight clash between Nonito Donaire and Fernando Montiel in February.

We’ve demanded Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. for nearly as long as we desired Klitschko vs. Haye. Could the battle of those two big men be an omen that the two biggest stars will finally share the same ring?

If only.

It often seemed as if moving Klitschko (be it Wladimir or Vitali) vs. Haye from possibility to reality was a matter of assuaging one ego, rather than two.

It was Haye who had agreed to fight Wladimir in 2009, only to pull out with what some believed was a dubious injury.

It was Haye who had then negotiated to fight Vitali and seemed on course to do so, only to completely change direction and instead sign to face Nicolay Valuev.

And it was Haye who then spent interview after interview talking about how he would beat either brother, but bristling at the conditions of the contract. He didn’t like that, were he to win, clauses called for him to face one Klitschko and then, in the case of a second Haye victory, the other. He also wanted an even split of all the money the fight brought in. [Click Here To Read More]

[jjbj2]

I'm starting to like this writer. He is getting on my good side. Why is that?

[tlarry]

Mayweather is all Smoke and Mirrors!

I think it's a nice gesture paying fir Hernandez' funeral. Now he needs to get serious and pay the IRS $9m in back taxes he can't pay, quit making threats to a live in girlfriend and your kids to wear they run to a guard shack to call the cops. Quit pushing around a neighborhood security guard, quit making slanderous comments about Pacquiao claiming steroid use, when not one other fight has claimed of Pacquiao. Answer to authorities why a car registered to him, left the scene of a shooting at an ice skating rink. Stop with the racial tirades on the Internet, and quit trying to protect your "0" by hand picking, smaller, older, one dimensional, lead with your chin fighters. Seriously Runaway Floyd... Ya little gangsta thug, do you really think Boxing fans want to see you fight Ortiz?!!? Really? Have we been waiting all this time to see that, or have we waited all this time to see you grow a set, and climb in the ring with Pacquiao, and get knocked out? It's certainly the latter, but it won't matter, cause you guessed wrong with Ortiz, and Floyd WILL get knocked out.

[-Kev-]

Greisman is a very good journalist but I have to call him out on this one.

"Then, when Pacquiao's camp agreed to Mayweather's terms, Mayweather's camp said it'd taken those terms off the table, in essence moving the proverbial goal posts back."

This is false, completely false, and I am very surprised this was said, considering it was Boxingscene who posted the news of Mayweather saying if Clottey PPV does less then the Mayweather-Mosley PPV, the 14 day cut off is off the table.

Manny Pacquiao never agreed to the 14 day cut off while it was being offered to him, this sentence makes it look like that when it is completely false. Pacquiao agreed to the 14 day cut off AFTER the Clottey fight, when Floyd had already said he'd want full testing. So yeah it's true Floyd moved it back, but it's 100% false that Manny Pacquiao agreed to it when it was offered.

And the whole truth, another thing that was posted in Boxingscene, was that Bob Arum denied Floyd ever presented a 14 day cut off, and went ahead and made the Clottey fight. Then that mediator, called Arum out on the lie, and Arum admitted to being offered a 14 day cut off "It's true, it's true, he did, but Floyd knew I we were not going to take that offer, that's why he asked."

[-Kev-]

"Pacquiao decided it would be better for him to fight clottey in march of 2010, instead of taking a mega fight with Mayweather. so in and interview with David Mayo in Grand Rapids, his hometown, Floyd stated that the 14 days was off the table and was a one time deal. The date was 2/13/10. "“I gave him a chance, up to 14 days out. But my new terms are all the way up to the fight. They can come get us whenever, all the way up to the fight, random drug test. That’s what it is,” Mayweather said. “If it was all about money for me, I would’ve said ‘I don’t care what Manny Pacquiao does, just give me the money, I’ll take it,’ ” he said. “But it’s me taking a stand for something that means something. And it’s for the fighters who are up and coming."

[monkeyboy]

Semantics.

[Mr. David]

Hi, Kev,

Thanks for both the kind words and the constructive critique. As with what monkeyboy said, I believe this is a semantical argument you're making, judging by the reporting I'll link to below. I'll change the wording, noted within these parentheses, and will note a clarification next week

"Pacquiao's camp (later warmed) to Mayweather's (original terms), but by then Mayweather's camp (had already said months before) that it had taken those terms off the table and pushed those goalposts back."

Sources:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=5159812

http://www.mlive.com/mayweather/inde...l_wonders.html

[Allucard]

I think it's a nice gesture paying fir Hernandez' funeral. Now he needs to get serious and pay the IRS $9m in back taxes he can't pay, quit making threats to a live in girlfriend and your kids to wear they run to a guard shack to call the cops. Quit pushing around a neighborhood security guard, quit making slanderous comments about Pacquiao claiming steroid use, when not one other fight has claimed of Pacquiao. Answer to authorities why a car registered to him, left the scene of a shooting at an ice skating rink. Stop with the racial tirades on the Internet, and quit trying to protect your "0" by hand picking, smaller, older, one dimensional, lead with your chin fighters. Seriously Runaway Floyd... Ya little gangsta thug, do you really think Boxing fans want to see you fight Ortiz?!!? Really? Have we been waiting all this time to see that, or have we waited all this time to see you grow a set, and climb in the ring with Pacquiao, and get knocked out? It's certainly the latter, but it won't matter, cause you guessed wrong with Ortiz, and Floyd WILL get knocked out.

This is the typical hater speaking his mind. They are 0 hunters and the only reason for that is Floyd is an African American. Well, there will be plenty African Americans with skills and 0's for you to hate on. Don't bother.

[komandante]

Take the test is just an excuse by Floyd Mayweather jr and Teddy Atlas buys it cause he's a certified clown..:gay:

[komandante]

Semantics.

You forget to include Marquez and Nacho.