How much credit will Wladimir Klitchko receive if he knocks out David Haye?

[John Barron]

not much, haye is an overrated little chump with a big mouth and a china chin.

[IMDAZED]

Read my post above. What did I say?

You CAN read a bit, can't you?

These people who are picking Haye to win should give Wlad credit though:

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Teddy Atlas is picking Haye to win, but won't give Wlad any credit if he KOs Haye.

I remember countless posts from you calling him a fraud. So regardless, a Wlad win should mean absolutely SQUAT to you. Doesn't enhance his legacy...NOTHING.

Right?

[paulf]

None, Wlad was written off by many fans years ago.

If he wins; Haye was just a bum pretender.

If he loses; Haye's mediocre talent exposed him.

Wlad just has to keep fighting a keep winning, and the fans will give him the respect he deserves down the line, as I pointed out about Larry Holmes in the "Best HW of the last 30 years" thread a few minutes ago.

[Steak]

It not a legendary win, but, it is a win over the best heavyweight in the world whos last name is not Klitschko.

and I will give him a respectable amount of credit for the win.

[#1Assassin]

im sorry can someone please explain this "white fighters get less credit" thing to me?

white fighters if anything get more credit than black fighters, but to be honest racism is basicly none existent in boxing at this point.

wlad doesnt get credit cuz he fights guys like eddie chambers. fat, no heart, weak skills etc.. just plain garbage, the kid got hit with one right hand in teh third and quit immidiately and he pulled the same crap against povetkin. hes always fat and his skills are terrible. he just sucks.

even wlads own trainer says it, wlad hasnt fought anyone with the hunger to win in years. tony thompson is the last good notch on wlads belt, most fights since hes fought bums.

the HW division is terrible, it has nothing to do with the color of anybodys skin. nobody cared about pavliks skin, or pacquiaos skin, or JMM skin, or frochs skin etc..

anytime u think a white guy doesnt get enough credit u pull the race card, isnt it time to grow up and realize just cuz someone doesnt agree with you that doesnt make them a horrible person? nobody is racist for underrating a black guy, or a mexican guy but anytime a white fighter doesnt get the props YOU think he deserves its racism..

the HW division just sucks, theres your racism. haye is the first worthy challenger in a looooong time, but he is worty so if wlad beats him in good fashion he will get his props. simple as that.

[Dave Rado]

To be honest, I'm only interested in this fight because it's gonna bring about the suicide of either JoeyZags or Klitschko2011.

One of the few posts that have ever genuinely made me laugh out loud!

[Dave Rado]

wlad doesnt get credit cuz he fights guys like eddie chambers.

You destroyed your credibility with that statement. In terms of skills and speed, Chambers is comparable with Byrd and Jimmy Young and would have been a contender in any era. And Chambers was coming off a very dominant win over a Ring top 10 fighter who is taller than Wlad, and he only weighed 209½ against Wlad, so your claim that he was fat in that fight is just silly. It's true that Chambers was overweight in some previous fights, but he was in peak condition against both Dimitrenko and Wlad. Chambers-Haye would be a pick 'em fight.

tony thompson is the last good notch on wlads belt, most fights since hes fought bums.

You further undermined your credibility with that one. Chagaev and Chambers are both better than Thompson.

And while Peter was not better than Thompson, and was no longer a top 10 rated fighter by the time of the rematch, he wasn't a bum either. He was in the best condition he'd been for many years for the Wlad rematch, and had genuine confidence that he could win because of how the first fight went. As such he was a more credible opponent than anyone else who was available to fight Wlad at that time, bearing in mind that the Peter fight only happened because first Haye and then Povetkin refused to fight Wlad last year.

That said, I too deplore the bringing up of race in so many threads by Klitschko fans.

[paypayvay]

im sorry can someone please explain this "white fighters get less credit" thing to me?

white fighters if anything get more credit than black fighters, but to be honest racism is basicly none existent in boxing at this point.

wlad doesnt get credit cuz he fights guys like eddie chambers. fat, no heart, weak skills etc.. just plain garbage, the kid got hit with one right hand in teh third and quit immidiately and he pulled the same crap against povetkin. hes always fat and his skills are terrible. he just sucks.

even wlads own trainer says it, wlad hasnt fought anyone with the hunger to win in years. tony thompson is the last good notch on wlads belt, most fights since hes fought bums.

the HW division is terrible, it has nothing to do with the color of anybodys skin. nobody cared about pavliks skin, or pacquiaos skin, or JMM skin, or frochs skin etc..

anytime u think a white guy doesnt get enough credit u pull the race card, isnt it time to grow up and realize just cuz someone doesnt agree with you that doesnt make them a horrible person? nobody is racist for underrating a black guy, or a mexican guy but anytime a white fighter doesnt get the props YOU think he deserves its racism..

the HW division just sucks, theres your racism. haye is the first worthy challenger in a looooong time, but he is worty so if wlad beats him in good fashion he will get his props. simple as that.

how is haye more worthy challenger than somebody like chagaev ? or even ibragimov ? what did this overhyped chinny part time fighter who got knocked down 5 or 6 times in 25 fights did to deserve this status ? did he deserve his title shot ? no , did he beat valuev more convincingly than grandpa evander or russlan did ? no .

i don't get it , he's worthy challenger because he talks lot of smack ? that's it ?

[DET. IRONSIDE]

how is haye more worthy challenger than somebody like chagaev ? or even ibragimov ? what did this overhyped chinny part time fighter who got knocked down 5 or 6 times in 25 fights did to deserve this status ? did he deserve his title shot ? no , did he beat valuev more convincingly than grandpa evander or ruhttp://www.boxingscene.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=10722121sslan did ? no .

i don't get it , he's worthy challenger because he talks lot of smack ? that's it ?

The man has a belt and he knows how to make a big noise and stir up the crowd to demand a fight.

Thats what he's done. Besides that he's not a flabby MFer.

Sam Peter, Shannon Briggs?

These are NO opponent for a HW champ that compares himself to Muhammad Ali in his ringwalks.

[Dave Rado]

The man has a belt and he knows how to make a big noise and stir up the crowd to demand a fight.

Thats what he's done. Besides that he's not a flabby MFer.

Sam Peter, Shannon Briggs?

These are NO opponent for a HW champ that compares himself to Muhammad Ali in his ringwalks.

Ali fought his share of bums - remember Brian London? Both are far better opponents than London and also far better than Audley. Plus Wlad only fought Peter after first Haye and then Povetkin refused to fight him. And Peter was in his best condition since he beat Toney and was fired up and believed he could win, and he fought well for the first two rounds, until Wlad's jab sickened him. You can validly criticise the Vitali-Briggs fight but not the Wlad-Peter one; and in the context of talking about Haye, even Briggs was a far better opponent than Audley; especially given that Haye turned down a fight with Wlad in order to fight Audley, whereas Vitali fought Briggs because there were no credible opponents who were available at the time (after Valuev turned him down). And Ali fought Juergen Blin and Richard Dunn, as well as London, all of whom were less credible opponents than Briggs, who at least still had a big punch and had once been the lineal Heavyweight champion.