Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Martinez: Arum Feels Weight Gap is Too Much

[PennyAnd1]

Yeah but you're missin' one thin'. JMM has been hovering around the 141-145lbs on fight night since the Juan Diaz 1 fight. So he's used to it. That would also tell me that it's time for him to move up to 140 lbs.

Lol ... I know they do drink water, I was trying to prove you a point. Yeah they do drink water, but first of all they don't drink water as they regularly do and they don't eat as they normaly do.

Yeah, in most fights boxers dehydrate and hydrate again to a certain amount they're still comfortable and have good energy, but in some cases (Margarito, De La Hoya) they just dehydrate like hell to get the the expected weight, and even when they get back to a weight that's still heavier than Pacquiao, they still just don't function properly, their body is just not efficent.

The thing is that you're relying on the fact that weight is almost everything during a fight. That if you are heavier during a fight, then you should be stronger. This is not the case with good examples such as Margarito and ODLH.

Also, as you just mentioned, an I quote "Unless you're going extremely way down below a weight you've never been into in a very long time, like say for example Oscar when he fought Pac." well that is also true when you go HEAVIER. JMM is going 2 divisions above LW. Even if they weight almost the same at fight night, JMM is used to have a certain weight for the weight in, and then he'll rehydrate at some degree for his fight. Now he'll try to be heavier because of the fight, or do you actually believe that he's going to be at 135 during the weight in and then 144 during the fight? It's different, by only changing the way your body dehydrates and hydrates and packs muscle mass, you can have a detrimental effect on performance.

[LeadUppercut]

This is true....

No it is not true, clown-boy

Dont drink the kool-aid that Penny kid is handing around.

His parents keep that dumbasss locked in a closet most of the time anyways

The amount of muscle-mass and conditioning that you can take into a fight is SOLELY determined at the official weigh-in, rehydration weight is completely irrelevant and can even be detrimental.

Only silly kids mention fight-night weight, boxing uses weight divisions, and the official weigh-in is the day before the fight

[LeadUppercut]

if Manny fights fighters that are not his level..he's cherry picking....

Well, what the *** would you call it ?



Pacland

[LeadUppercut]

You're a joke man, you think of boxing with one direction, it's all 'If you are these, you will be that', WTF is that?!! This is a diverse sports, with nothing is definite unless you do it in the ring... Marquez's biggest mistake with the Floyd fight, him coming from two divisions down is bulking up to 144lbs. at weigh in, and tried matching up Floyd meat for meat, but it only made Juan fat, slow and sluggish... But in the Katsidis fight, Juan went down again but rehydrated back to his healthy 144lbs. at FIGHT NIGHT, now he performed much much better.... Now with Manny, Marquez should just stick to his own weight and totally ignore the catchweight weigh in and rehydrate back up to his healthy 144lbs at FIGHT NIGHT...

I agree.

But, give yourself an uppercut......

If you really believe that, then you are well-aware that Marquez will be physically outmatched in that fight..... so, how can you possibly justify Pacquiao demanding 144, when according to Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza, Pac is a natural JWW and can easily make 140?

" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...friday-mailbag

You Pac fans suck, you dont give a **** about boxing, about a fair contest, about what is best for the sport..... just so long as Manny wins, no matter how disadvantaged his opponents may happen to be

Yayyy Manny..... you beat up another old man.

The worst sporting fans on the planet.

[LeadUppercut]

Lol ... I know they do drink water, I was trying to prove you a point. Yeah they do drink water, but first of all they don't drink water as they regularly do and they don't eat as they normaly do.

Not correct my friend.

Marquez should stick to his usual training diet..... + the urine, of course.

According to Alex Ariza, he just cannot keep any weight on Manny when Pac is training..... Manny has to eat 6 meals a day, 3am/6am shakes just to remain at welter.

Freddie Roach said that Manny can eat " anything on the table " when in training for a fight that Pac weighed in at 144.

He could easily make 140, and 140 would be a much fairer contest even though it would still favor Pac. but it would cost him 4lbs of muscle, and "they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis"
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...friday-mailbag

[LeadUppercut]

Yeah but you're missin' one thin'. JMM has been hovering around the 141-145lbs on fight night since the Juan Diaz 1 fight. So he's used to it. That would also tell me that it's time for him to move up to 140 lbs.

Fak you're a wally

[vacon04]

Yeah but you're missin' one thin'. JMM has been hovering around the 141-145lbs on fight night since the Juan Diaz 1 fight. So he's used to it. That would also tell me that it's time for him to move up to 140 lbs.

In fact I'm not missing that. It's not the same being 135 during the weight in than being 144 during the weight in. When you are 135 at that moment you step in the scale, you have certain amount of muscle mass and then you rehydrate about 7 or 8 pounds at least in JMM case. Marquez is used to have a certain amount of muscle mass at 135 pounds.

In Pacquiao's case, he's used to be 145 pounds when he steps in the scale completely hydrated by the way. At that moment Pacquiao has more muscle mass than Marquez, and by not having to hydrate again as he is already fully hydrated, his body is used to stay at 145 pounds during his training, he doesn't has to change a bit for the weight in.

In Marquez case he trains to be 135 for the weight in, so he weights 142 or 143 pounds during his training but he doesn't has the muscle mass Pacquiao has during his training. He's retaining more water that he can actually loose previous to the fight ( as he can't loose muscle mass previous to the fight, that would be even more detrimental for his performance )

[PennyAnd1]

Obviously, Leadupperclit's pu$$y can't take the truth. It hurts so bad that it's insulting. So he tries to recover by dissin' me every chance he gets through his comment. Just like your master PrettymonkeyBoy, OScar stripper, and your Mexican biased b!tchslapped a$$ who continues to b!tch at Pac. Boo hoo hoo. boo hoo hoo. grow up little girl
I told you to get out of Floyd's golden jeez b!Tch!

you shame all mexicans.

No it is not true, clown-boy

Dont drink the kool-aid that Penny kid is handing around.

His parents keep that dumbasss locked in a closet most of the time anyways

The amount of muscle-mass and conditioning that you can take into a fight is SOLELY determined at the official weigh-in, rehydration weight is completely irrelevant and can even be detrimental.

Only silly kids mention fight-night weight, boxing uses weight divisions, and the official weigh-in is the day before the fight

Say that is the truth. Then why do all boxers rehydrate atleast 7-10lbs if not more during fight night. Blame that on them. I guess it's only Pac who rehydrates around 4lbs or more. B!tch LeadUpperclit

[LeadUppercut]

Obviously, Leadupperclit's pu$$y can't take the truth. It hurts so bad that it's insulting. So he tries to recover by dissin' me every chance he gets through his comment. Just like your master PrettymonkeyBoy, OScar stripper, and your Mexican biased b!tchslapped a$$ who continues to b!tch at Pac. Boo hoo hoo. boo hoo hoo. grow up little girl
I told you to get out of Floyd's golden jeez b!Tch!

you shame all mexicans.

Say that is the truth. Then why do all boxers rehydrate atleast 7-10lbs if not more during fight night. Blame that on them. I guess it's only Pac who rehydrates around 4lbs or more. B!tch LeadUpperclit

You are nothing but a lil clown, and you are fast turning into the resident joke.

The boxingscene jester is either you, or Check_hooks..... I'm not sure which.

Mayflower is precious, GBP are scum-suckers, and PR's own Mexican's

Happy now ****head ?

You are about as good at judging character, as you are at pretending that you understand boxing

Tryhard.

I am going to give you some homework now.....

K, go look up a word in the dictionary, and study it real hard.

There will be a short test tomorrow.

The word is.....

..... " pride ".

[LeadUppercut]

BTW Penny, what the *** were you thinking when you said this.....

Yeah but you're missin' one thin'. JMM has been hovering around the 141-145lbs on fight night since the Juan Diaz 1 fight. So he's used to it. That would also tell me that it's time for him to move up to 140 lbs.

Are you lost ?

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