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2010 ended without any one fight that was so blow away, so obvious, as the year’s best. There was plenty of good but the candidates for great were in short supply.
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Comments on your latest ratings
Overall I think your ratings are as good or better than those of ESPN, The Ring or Boxing Monthly - certainly better than ********* - but I'll list a few of my disagreements:
Heavyweight:
I think you have Helenius too high at no. 4. I still think Povetkin should have the no. 4 spot above Helenius and Adamek - even though Teddy has messed up his career.
Light Heavy:
Where is Zsolt Erdei? The guy is the former lineal champ who had a year layoff and has come back with a solid win and is scheduled to fight 36-1 Dawid Kostecki in an eliminator I believe in June. Arguably a top five fighter.
Super Middle:
I have Andre Dirrell in my top ten - he's already back Twittering about his sparring with George Groves. If you have Arthur Abraham in your top ten, you also need Dirrell.
Junior Middle:
Where is Antonio Margarito? Yeah he lost to Pacman but so did Cotto. And PS - Margarito has knocked out Cotto once and Cintron twice, your 2 and 3 guys. PPS - your number one guy Dzindzruk just got smoked by S. Martinez who Margarito stopped years ago. You may not like him but Margs deserves a top ten rating.
Welter:
Senchenko may be the WBA champ but who in the heck has he beaten. Brad Solomon's beaten more quality guys in the past 10 months than Senchenko's fought in his entire careeer.
Light:
Even though he's suspended, I think Ali Funeka deserves to top ten rating.
Feather:
Hasegawa was an awesome Bantam champ and the Feather champ before Gonzalez got to him - definitely more deserving of a rating than Yordin (whose claim to fame is an NC with Guerrero)
Bantam:
Noel Tunacao has a better wins than Bakhtin
Junior Bantam:
Daiki Kameda is officially campaigning at 115 (not 118 where his brother is) - he definitely deserves to be rated ahead of Sato.
Fly:
I have Reveco rated at Junior Fly and Richie Mapranum rounding out my top ten at 112.
Straw:
Florante Condes has fought and beaten better opps than Sithmorseng even though Sith has a belt and Condes doesn't. -
Hey bro:
Thanks. This ish is hard.
Here's my responses:
Heavy: Povetkin has done nada for some two years and openly avoided taking a shot at the brass ring. Helenius has flattened two former titlists while he's diddled away since Chambers. Helenius might be too high but, really, after the top four it's pretty dry. Helenius is hot so he gets the nod.
Light Heavy: Erdei vacated, moved to Cruiser, and has done nothing substantial at Light Heavy since. When he does (and I'm not sure he can given age and the new wave of talent), he'll be back.
Super Middle: Dirrell has been off for over a year and, currently, has no fight signed. By the same stroke, Kessler could also come out at a year. His return is a little more mapped out, and he's accomplished much more than Dirrell, so I'll figure that in a week or so.
Jr. Middle: Margarito hasn't won a notable fight at 154. Ever. Ans there's a cloud over his big wins (not in my mind actually, but generally). he'll get in the top ten when he earns it at Jr. Middle.
Welter: I disagree on Senchenko (if only because Nuzhnenko is a strong win IMO) but Solomon is on the cusp either way. Clottey could be argued out but since he got hurt training for his return, I give him a little grace.
Lightweight: Funeka is out a year, nothing scheduled, and we'll see on his frame if he cane make a Lightweight return with his frame.
Feather: Yordan just gave arguably the best in class a hell of a go. Hasegawa has two fights at feather and got ****** out for the second time in three fights in the last one. His accomplishments at Bantam only carry so much two classes up. He can get back in pretty easy with a decent win. Yordan can be bumped; a soft rating for sure.
Bantam: You mean Malcolm and meh...neither is really anything to write home about. The ten slot at 118 is a drop zone.
Jr. Bantam: I disagree. Kono was a good win. D. Kameda wasn't good enough at Fly to get a rating without a real win in a new class IMO.
112: Reveco vacated his interim strap and moved up and won a fight at 12.
105: I'll consider him after today.
I might be wrong on some of this. Feel free to hack away.
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Cliff - I didn't realize that you'd commented on this. I hear you on most of them, I'll go one by one.
HWY
I agree that there's really not much separating Povetkin, Adamek and Helenius. I just think on balance Povetkin's fought slightly better guys. I also think Povetkin would win head to head with either Adamek or Helenius (assuming Teddy hasn't already ruined him). But this one is a wash - Helenius had fought the better opposition of late.
LTHY
I definitely think Erdei belongs in the top ten. He may have fought for the cruiser title just to win it, but he weighed 178. He was a linear champ who made 11 defenses and then took a year off and came back at 175. Definitely better credentials than most of the top ten - at the very least better than Syllakh. Syllakh's a great prospect but one win over a 30-something Cuban emigre with 8 fights does not a top ten fighter make.
Super Mid
If you have the one year cutoff - that's fair re: Dirrell - though you'll now have to bag Kessler as well.
Jr. Mid
Margs is top ten at 154 - no doubt about it. His win over Robert Garcia isn't a bad one (technically he beat Sergio Martinez at over 147 as well). The guy has wins over Cotto, Cintron 2x and Clottey. How many significant wins at 154 does Canelo have? Please don't say Matthew Hatton was a big win at 154 (it's not even a big win at 147). Pawel Walek is definitely not a better fighter at any weight than Margs.
Welter
Sanchenko is a scrub. His best win is over Nuzhenko, as you pointed out. Our boy Matthew Hatton also beat Nuzhenko and beat him with about the same scores as Sanchenko. Hatton also had a draw in the last few years with Lovemore N'Dou. Malignaggi has beaten N'Dou twice. I would rate Malignaggi ahead of Sanchenko - as well as Brad Solomon. Sanchenko has defended against nothing but bums. You wouldn't even have him in the ratings if he didn't have a belt.
Ltwt
Fair enough on the one year rule with Funeka.
Ftwt
I didn't see the John-Yordin fight but it looks from the cards like Yordin put up a fair scrap. (I used to represent Smoke Gainer and I took him over to fight John so I know how tough John is). Yordin still doesn't have a win as good as Hasegawa's win over Burgos. Yordin also got shutout by Cabellero in the last year or so. I still think Hasegawa deserves to be there more than Yordin. I don't punish guys for losing to other top fighters but in the case of Yordin, you also have to have beaten a top guy.
Bant
I agree that 118 is not exactly deep but I think Tunacao has a little more merit than Bahktin. Not a big diff though.
SuperFl
Kono just got beat again by Sato - I think you reflected that in your ratings though. Francisco got beat as well. All hell broke loose in the lower weights.
Fly
I see Reveco rated at no. 1 at 112 by the WBA so I guess he did vacate - my bad.
Straw
I'll stand by what I said about Condes and Sith. Condes also beat Rahman by split back in 2007. Rahman had lost a 6-rounder to a novice in January of this two fights before he won the title. That's a real bad loss by Sith.
Looking forward to the next set of ratings and thanks for responding to me point by point. It's cool to have another ratings nerd to debate with - lol.
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