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    Comments Thread For: Wlad, Vitali, Haye, Adamek: What is the Final Four Outcome

    By Jake Donovan - Win or go home – it’s the driving force behind the NCAA basketball tournament, arguably the greatest postseason platform of any sport.

    The beauty of the tournament is that even when your own bracket is busted, you can still kick back and watch the rest of the action, knowing that a national champion will be crowned in the end.

    Unfortunately, the same is not always true in boxing, which is why tournaments – even those of the one-off knockout variety – at the pro level don’t quite catch on, despite constant fan request for such a process.

    Later this year, the heavyweight division will undergo an unofficial Final Four of sorts. In theory, you couldn’t ask for a better series.

    It’s been years since boxing’s big boys have enjoyed any sort of relevance in the sport, a far fall from grace after serving for more than a century as the sport’s glamour division. So anything heavyweight-related that produces positive feedback has to be a good thing.

    However, there stands to reason that the series winds up providing short-term entertainment without a payoff in the long run.

    Why? For the same reason such little attention is paid to anything heavyweight-related – it’s a two horse race unless retirement or a major upset enters the picture.

    Wladimir and Vitali Klitschko will never face one another in the ring, and few see them losing anytime soon – even though their next respective fights will come against the next two best heavyweights in the world, David Haye and Tomasz Adamek. [Click Here To Read More]
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    The only way we get an undisputed champion is if Haye beats Wlad and Vitali beats Adamek (I can't see Adamek beating Vitali, no way).

    Then, Vitali-Haye becomes the real deal, with Vitali, if he can defeat Haye, once again succeeding where little bro failed. The question as to which brother is the best would finally be answered without them having to fight each other.

    I agree with the writer : a Klitschko has to lose for that tournament to be exciting and for an undisputed champ to be crowned.

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    • dvb
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      Haye beats wlad.

      then wlad fights adamek.

      haye fights Vitali.

      The winner of vitali v haye becomes the undisputed heavyweight champion.

      Adamek will fight but not for a title!.

      Although ide love to see haye v adamek if haye did decide to not retire so early.

      it would be big in america or UK. big polish population in the uk!.

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      • Dave Rado
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        Originally posted by COLONEL SANDERS
        The only way we get an undisputed champion is if Haye beats Wlad and Vitali beats Adamek (I can't see Adamek beating Vitali, no way).

        Then, Vitali-Haye becomes the real deal, with Vitali, if he can defeat Haye, once again succeeding where little bro failed. The question as to which brother is the best would finally be answered without them having to fight each other.

        I agree with the writer : a Klitschko has to lose for that tournament to be exciting and for an undisputed champ to be crowned.
        Wlad is already the lineal champion, which makes him undisputed for all intents and purposes, especially given the fact that he has been consistently fighting a higher standard of competition than his brother for a while now. And if Wlad beats Haye and Vitali beats Adamek, I am pretty sure that Vitali would then immediately retire, which would leave no remaining room for doubt about the fact that Wlad is the undisputed champion in any meaningful definition of the word "undisputed" (I don't accept the archaic and meaningless definition that you have to hold all the alphabet belts in order to be undisputed, that definition is just ****** these days). And if Wlad beats Haye in style then there should be no more carping about him or about the competition he has faced.
        Last edited by Dave Rado; 04-01-2011, 12:20 PM.

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        • Gratide
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          I don't see anyone taking a " k" title , in the near future ,Haye is not a good fighter just has a big punch . either brother will jab him silly then knock him out and hopefully shut him up . I'm am so tired of his mouth and am so unimpressed with his fights can't wait to see his butt on the canvas .

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          • Tiozzo
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            Originally posted by Dave Rado
            Wlad is already the lineal champion, which makes him undisputed for all intents and purposes, especially given the fact that he has been consistently fighting a higher standard of competition than his brother for a while now. And if Wlad beats Haye and Vitali beats Adamek, I am pretty sure that Vitali would then immediately retire, which would leave no remaining room for doubt about the fact that Wlad is the undisputed champion in any meaningful definition of the word "undisputed" (I don't accept the archaic and meaningless definition that you have to hold all the alphabet belts in order to be undisputed, that definition is just ****** these days). And if Wlad beats Haye in style then there should be no more carping about him or about the competition he has faced.
            accept what you will, lineal and undisputed are 2 different things, period

            to be considered the best, to be lineal and to be undisputed : 3 different things

            for now, people are split on who's the best (Vitali or Wlad), Wlad is lineal, and the undisputed king has yet to be crowned

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            • SluggerFan
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              What if both Haye and Adamek win? Is there a rematch clause for either Klitschko in case of a loss or would they be free to fight each other. I know I am dreaming now but you never know, Vitali could injure his shoulder, Haye could catch Wlad flush, etc. I am just curious what would happen if that happened. The main problem is if Haye wins, he will retire and then we will have another gaping hole in the division. If Haye would have just fought them when he was supposed to, God only knows where the HW division would be at this point. And in two to three years, probably all four of these guys will be retired (maybe not Adamek but he's not getting any younger), I wonder who the hell will be 'champions' then???

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              • Dave Rado
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                Originally posted by COLONEL SANDERS
                accept what you will, lineal and undisputed are 2 different things, period

                to be considered the best, to be lineal and to be undisputed : 3 different things

                for now, people are split on who's the best (Vitali or Wlad), Wlad is lineal, and the undisputed king has yet to be crowned
                If you are saying that in order to be undisputed champion you have to own every alphabet belt simultaneously, then it's a silly term that should never be used because it's completely meaningless. It's also a perversion of the English language, because the definition of "undisputed" is that there is no dispute. There is no dispute about who is currently the Middleweight champion of the world - anyone who knows anything about boxing agrees that it is Martinez - but Martinez doesn't hold any of the major alphabet belts.

                Not only is it impossible to hold onto all of them even if you win them, because you'll get stripped for bullshit reasons if you do, but there is usually no sporting reason for anyone to even try to win them all, because the alphabet rankings are so corrupt. For example, when the Super 6 winner fights Bute, no one who knows anything about boxing will dispute that the winner of that fight will be the world Super Middleweight champion. No one will demand that they have to fight Dimitri Sartison and Robert Stieglitz before they can be considered to be the man at 168. Sartison isn't even a top 10 fighter, FFS. It's just a silly definition and if you insist on using it, then the term simply should never be used. If no one credible disputes who is the champion, then to claim there is no undisputed champion is to pervert the English language.

                That definition is an archaic hangover from the days when there were only two sanctioning bodies and when their rankings were still respected. In those days the definition made sense, but it's just silly now and it's time people grew up and recognised that fact.
                Last edited by Dave Rado; 04-01-2011, 06:44 PM.

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                • TaurusJ27
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                  Either way this is building up to be exciting matches in the heavyweights.

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                  • FloydTBE
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                    Exciting time at HW

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