Comments Thread For: Khan Defends Himself and Pacquiao Over Drug Allegations

[deejd]

If "Manny Excuses" knew what was in it he'd have to come off of the "Special shake" or he'd be implicating himself in the future when he comes out "not knowing" what was in it, and he's never "knowingly" did steroids, and his last fight was the "only" time he did it, while Ariza takes the fall for it.[/U]

It just happens that Conte is linked to his camp seeing that Amir Khan gave him thanks after his fight with Maidana. But hey, what do any of us know? Perhaps Khan was getting realty advice from Conte during his training camp.

[LeadUppercut]

6 months prior to DLH fight was Diaz.

Outside of boxrec, what proof do you have that Manny gained 15lbs of muscle?

How do you know that's just him not cutting weight like he was to make SFW?

Again your a ****in idiot that just runs to boxrec, see a few numbers, only to come here and post bull****.

You are a ****in idiot, Manny had 8 fights at SFW you clown.

Hey arsewipe, a couple of posts ago, you were trying to tell me that Manny was a welterweight coz he weighed 147 on fight night

Now you change tack and decide to question those figures?

What a ***wit.

2008-03-15 (129) Juan Manuel Marquez
2008-12-06 (142) Oscar De La Hoya
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hum...6129&cat=boxer

Those figures are correct, click the link ****head.

Whats to argue about ?

The bottom line is this.....

I can draw whatever conclusions I like, because Manny will not take the test.

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boxrec measured their bf percentages and muscle mass? that looks just like their measure in lbs doesnt it?

or are you that dumb to not know the difference

Don't be naive you clown.

Manny made SFW without compromising muscle-mass.....
2008-03-15 (129) Juan Manuel Marquez

And I saw the Hoya fight you smart ****.

" Did you have callipers on hand at the scales measuring his bf percentage? "

What a ****in idiot kid.

How about I use your approach.....

FACT:
Pacroid is a blatant steroid cheat, he has been using hgh/epo since JMM II.

You don't like me saying that? then, prove it's not true.....

I can draw whatever conclusions I like, because Manny will not take the test.

[shogunn]

You are obviously an idiot. Boxrec shows their weight on the scales. It doesnt show their body fat percantage to determine their leanmass/bf ratio.

Its no suprise you dont see the difference, but this is what we do know.

Whats to argue about ?

The bottom line is this.....
I can draw whatever conclusions I like, because Im a ****in ******.

[shogunn]

FACT:
Pacroid is a blatant steroid cheat, he has been using hgh/epo since JMM II.

You don't like me saying that? then, prove it's not true.....

I can draw whatever conclusions I like, because Im a ****in ******.

You obviously dont know what FACTs are.

you really think Manny gained 15lbs of pure muscle because boxing rec says so. what a joke

Again, you admit youre a ****in ****** so all is right in the world.

[letsgobrady]

The Clottey fight was a Flop Stank glorified sparring match for testing purposes. Flop Stank denied the 14 day window and took Clottey who was called a "good loser" by Arum before the fight even happened. Clottey got a bonus for losing. Clottey stood there and couldn't even attempt to make the fight look good while MAnny swung at him for 12 rounds.

The fight was set up to see if they could cycle out the PED's in a 14 day window.

After the fight all of a sudden Manny agrees to the 14 day cutoff but too bad for little Manny the offer was old and off the table. New terms for little Manny were set. And little MAnny Excuses couldn't agree to them.

manny tried to except the 14 day cut off after floyd beat shane not right after manny beat clottey

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I agree with two points you made, and disagree with one other.....

1.) Yep I agree, Manny had his run - you know 108 to 130 - the same sort of span that many other fighters have had..... but a second run?

A second run, gaining another 15+ lbs of muscle in less than 18 months and ripping through three divisions whilst improving his speed and power? Whilst - coincidentally - refusing random blood tests?

And this is after commentators stated during Marquez II that Pacquiao "is fading..... he looks like he's been in too many wars"

Please..... did that point really help your case?

2.) Yep I agree, speed kills..... but timing/skills beat speed, and funnily enough, Manny has not fought a slick technician since Marquez whooped him.

Your point about speed..... it is bizarre that Manny has been able to retain his speed while making those massive weight gains. That is actually the problem that most people have with the "new and "improved" Pacquiao.

3)
" in this thread Manny is amazing and it must be the PEDS and in another thread you guys say his opponents were drained, shot "


Nope. I have stated previously that Manny's resume' is not only manufactured, it is likely fraudulent as well.

1) Two runs? His run is comparable to someone else going thru the amateurs and Pros. Look at Floyd. He was able to keep his speed from the time he fought at flyWeight up to 154. Do you consider that su****ious? I don't and I don't think that you do either. It's all relative though as his speed just had to be better than his opponents.

Marquez vs Manny at 130 was a good fight. When it's CLOSE like that and both fighters get cut and the momentum changes back and forth, you will hear commentators give both fighters good points at times and bad ones at times. Of course every fight is different.

About the commentaries: When Manny moved up to 130 and fought Morales for the 2nd time, when Morales was winning the fight during the first 6 rounds and the commentators THOUGHT Morales was going to win AGAIN they said, Morales may be too big for Manny. Manny is really a 126 fighter and so on. A few rounds later, Manny changed that conversation around quickly and you know that what came out of their mouths was ALL GOOD for Manny. This is on the SAME FIGHT! Did Manny take PEDs between rounds?


With those runs that Manny had, you always need to take into consideration that Manny was always improving. During the Morales years, they tried to improve on Manny's right hand, his movement and his stability/balance as he would always come rushing in with his power left in the early days. He doesn't do that nowadays. It's harder now to know what Manny will throw at you offensively.


2) He can retain his speed and it is amazing. Like I said previously, Floyd's speed has been quite good even when he went up to 154. It is also relative. Manny's speed will look even better against a slower Margarito. As stated above, same with Floyd against and part-time boxer named Oscar.


3)
I said about your comments " in this thread Manny is amazing and it must be the PEDS and in another thread you guys say his opponents were drained, shot and so on ..."

You said, "Nope. I have stated previously that Manny's resume' is not only manufactured, it is likely fraudulent as well."


very confusing UPPERC .... if Manny's resume is so sub-par, then does he really need to be on PEDs to do it? That is how its sounding when you make these 2 statements. It's like you are just adding unnecessary nails on that coffin just to make sure that you give no credit to Manny. Just saying but you can elaborate if you wish.


Congratulations: This is a better post from you UPPERC. No name calling and even though you don't agree (completely), you kept it civil and stuck to your boxing opinions.

[jltsmae]

The Clottey fight was a Flop Stank glorified sparring match for testing purposes. Flop Stank denied the 14 day window and took Clottey who was called a "good loser" by Arum before the fight even happened. Clottey got a bonus for losing. Clottey stood there and couldn't even attempt to make the fight look good while MAnny swung at him for 12 rounds.

The fight was set up to see if they could cycle out the PED's in a 14 day window.

After the fight all of a sudden Manny agrees to the 14 day cutoff but too bad for little Manny the offer was old and off the table. New terms for little Manny were set. And little MAnny Excuses couldn't agree to them.

Which terms were set for little Manny? Floyd and GBP denied that there were a 2nd NEGO. so what terms are u talking about? Floyd stiil got time to come out NOW to fight Pac on May 7. Where is he?

[mikemurni]

Don't be naive you clown.

Manny made SFW without compromising muscle-mass.....
2008-03-15 (129) Juan Manuel Marquez

And I saw the Hoya fight you smart ****.

" Did you have callipers on hand at the scales measuring his bf percentage? "

What a ****in idiot kid.

How about I use your approach.....

FACT:
Pacroid is a blatant steroid cheat, he has been using hgh/epo since JMM II.

You don't like me saying that? then, prove it's not true.....

I can draw whatever conclusions I like, because Manny will not take the test.

That's right, ******..Try to draw your own conclusion.. But don't try to pass it as facts..

[IMDAZED]

That's right, right.. draw your own conclusion.. But don't pass it as facts..

Yup, that's what he's doing. Just like anyone who says Manny is clean is voicing opinion and not fact too.