Pac isn't the only one who matches well against pressure fighters

[Porter's Dad]

The JMM vs Kats fighting got me thinking; about how Kats was just a dream of a match up for a JMM - a less-skilled, come forward pressure fighter, who he could counter-punch and take apart. Aside from the Kats KD, I think pretty much most people figured how that fight would go (including sterling effort from Kats, not diminishing his talents)

What I find quite interesting is that people act like Pacquaio is the only who is carefully matched against pressure fighters. Now, I'm not saying he isn't well matched (he is) but he ain't the only one.

Let's see some of the other elite fighters best wins:-

JMM - Juarez, Diaz x2, Katsidis, Peden, and he arguably won one of his two fights against Pac.

Floyd - Chavez, Castillo x2, Ndou, Corrales, Hatton, Baldy, Gatti.

Martinez - Williams (x2 arguably), Pavlik, Bunema.

This is a style that isn't just made for Pac but for most other elite, skilled fighters.

Another thing; people act like Pacquaio is the only fighter who the slick style would give fits to, and he would struggle to look good against.

But really, who does look good against it?

I mean, Hopkins talks about the slick AA style being kryptonite to Pac, but how many slicksters did B-Hop handle?

Pavlik? Tito? Mercado? Glen?


Something to think about.

[Porter's Dad]

Please don't make me keep bumping my own threads up.

[generivera100]

Let's get real here. Marquez is getting too much credit for his recent wins.

After gettting badly beaten by Floyd, he beat a recycled Juan Diaz whom he has already knocked out, and who was already beaten by Paulie Malinaggi twice and by Nate Campbell.

And then he fought Katsidis, who was already beaten by Juan Diaz and Joel Casamayor !!!

These are both come-forward, face-first, predictable, Lighweight fighters who are tailor-made for his style!

Why doesn't Marquez go after some fast young guns with fresh legs like Khan, Bradley at Junior Welter first?

[Porter's Dad]

I agree, JMM has been matched well. That kinda backs up my point.

Pac gets alot of heat for fighting a certain style of fighter but look how JMM (as we are talking about him) has done against slick defensive counter-punchers - John, Casa, Floyd.

Face it. No-one shines against slick counter-punchers.

[letsgobrady]

where was katsidis rank at light weight?where was margarito ranked and where were clottey ranked when they fought manny?

[S.G.]

I agree, JMM has been matched well. That kinda backs up my point.

He more or less cleared out his division, no cherry picking involved. And, as you already pointed out, he did fight and knock out the awkward southpaw counter puncher Casamayor just a couple years ago (while Casamayor was coming off the back of an impressive TKO win no less).

I agree with your general point, slicksters making anyone look bad and being a rarer breed in general anyway, but there's no reason to knock Marquez's CV.

[Porter's Dad]

He more or less cleared out his division, no cherry picking involved. And, as you already pointed out, he did fight and knock out the awkward southpaw counter puncher Casamayor just a couple years ago (while Casamayor was coming off the back of an impressive TKO win no less).

I agree with your general point, slicksters making anyone look bad and being a rarer breed in general anyway, but there's no reason to knock Marquez's CV.

Nah, I ain't knocking JMM at all, (I'm a big fan) I'm just using his career progress as a comparison piece for Pac, who gets accused routinely of getting matched up with one style of fighter and avoiding another one, like he's the only one.

Pac/FMJ/JMM/Sergio all have most of their notable wins against the same style of fighter.

[Porter's Dad]

where was katsidis rank at light weight?where was margarito ranked and where were clottey ranked when they fought manny?

I honestly hold no stock or interest in rankings. I've seen how corrupt they are.

I would probably place Cotto/Clottey/Tony as a better series of wins than Diaz/Casa/Katsidis.

[Kaaz]

Now days boxing is all about Low risk and High profit...

[S.G.]

Nah, I ain't knocking JMM at all, (I'm a big fan) I'm just using his career progress as a comparison piece for Pac, who gets accused routinely of getting matched up with one style of fighter and avoiding another one, like he's the only one.

Pac/FMJ/JMM/Sergio all have most of their notable wins against the same style of fighter.

Sure, as far as I remember that whole ducking slick African Americans thing started off as a tongue in cheek observation anyway - it's funny how things gain momentum on the internet. The more salient criticism of Pacquiao's recent run of form, I suppose, would be the timing of the fights rather than the names and styles of the opponents in themselves.