LOL So Williams Wants Martinez @ A Catchweight Of 157?

[IMDAZED]

Exactly...If Williams wants to come in at 157, then let him do so. Martinez can come in at 160 and tax that ass!! I also don't think the Pac/Margs fight should be for a title either with that catchweight trash.

Not a fan of catchweight anything but this catchweight match is a lot closer in comparison to Whitaker-Chavez/Pacquiao-Cotto than it is Pac-Margarito. Martinez will be just as good at 157 as he was at 159. I don't think PW is thinking that will somehow weaken Martinez at all. It's going to be pure hell either way.

[Franco2012]

Like I said Williams will never fight Martinez again after that devastating woopin he took in first fight!

Thats why this insane demands!

[Maidana vs Rios]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=408774

"Why in Gods name is Martinez vs Williams at 157lb?"

In that thread, Burner calls Pac a "cowardly ass fighter" for fighting Marg at 151.

LOL pwnage.

Truth is though, the 157 catchweight won't affect either guy since they're both really JMW's anyway.

But in Marg-Pac the 151 catchweight is unfair.....to Pacquiao. Marg is really a 147 guy. At 147 he would already dwarf the midget, yet now they're giving Marg an extra 4 pounds to play with? Pac is trying to cherry pick history, but at the cost of putting himself at greater risk in the actual fight.

[THE REED]

Yeah he didnt have time to prepare the first fight...as if Martinez did.


It only got close because Martinez got tired, I wouldnt expect that to happen this time.

Why not? He's had fatigue lapses in almost every single fight... he did with Williams the first time... he took off all the middle rounds in the Pavlik fight.

He's 35 years old... I think there's a better chance that Williams goes in there and does what he does in every single fight than Martinez having the energy to do that type of 12 rounds all over again... something he isn't necessarily used to doing.

I'm not saying Martinz can't do it... but he definitely had stamina lapses.. in every single fight.

Easy for me.

Dude is all action.

I guess if you're generally a weak fan it can be hard.

Agreed.

Poor Williams can't find a way out.

He doesn't need too.

I think there was a lot of behind the scene stuff with Mayweather that we dont know about. Paul was trying to get to 147 for a reason.

Would never happen.

WTF. Why the hell would there be a catchweight in this fight? There is absolute no reason for a catchweight in this fight, it's just plain ducking on Williams behalf!

I agree there's no reason... I don't think it's ducking, though.

If Williams wanted to duck, he would just ask for more money than he deserves and the fight wouldn't happen... 3 pounds isn't a deal breaker, or a duck.

I think what seperates these two is stamina. Martinez can not keep Pauls pace and he fade throughout that fight and had rounds where he did nothing but backpedal at times. At one point I remember him slipping and staying on the ground to catch his breath.

He faded against Pavlik too. Williams can fight 15 rounders. I think he will overwhelm him with volume again.

Agreed.

Not sure of the reason for this.

There's no reason to think that either of them has a problem making 154, let alone 157. And neither of them are going to blow up in weight after the weigh-in either.

I don't like catchweights, especially not for title fights, but I struggle to see how this will help or disadvantage Williams or Martinez. Unless I'm overlooking something?

I'm with you 110%.

Can you please at least make an effort to post in coherent sentences? It is really frustrating having to attempt to read your dribble.

Agreed.

Is this serious? WTF?

The catchweight won't have an effect on the fight, but it is a p***Y move by Paul. He can never again say he is "the most avoided man in boxing."

If it won't have an effect... why is a ***** move?

Has it occurred to you that IMDAZED might be Burner?

Not a chance.

This Williams guy is biggest coward ever,hands down.

First he wants 50/50 against champion Pavlik and now he wants to weight drained Middleweight champion.

Martinez is a blown up Jr. MW... in almost every MW fight he's had he hasn't even come in at 160...

Another Azzhole trying to take something OUT of his opponent. The only word that comes to mind is: F-E-A-R
Specially because Martinez is a small middleweight. I hope this freaking Catchweights end. It's not fair to continue winning title making their own rules.
FK that! If you want to fight the middleweight champion of the World, the limit is 160! OK YOu can come in at 157 if you want.

If he's a small MW... what's the problem... your entire post is ironic.





On the catchweight thing... for me this is how I see it.


Pac - Cotto:

I had a problem with this catchweight, because Cotto struggles to make weight already... he literally struggles just to make 147... Pac lowered the bar even more to 145... I felt like that was really hindering Cotto from being at his best.

Pac - Margarito:

I have zero problem with this catchweight. Margarito's been a welterweight for awhile not... Cotto, Mosley... welterweight fights... other than his last fight which was merely a tune up.. Cotto, Clottey... welterweight fights... These are two welterweights fighting for a 154lb title at 150lbs... I don't see how Pac is gaining an advantage here really.. Other than Margarito is naturally bigger than Pac... but the fact remains, they both have been fighting at welterweight.

Williams - Martinez:

I don't like catchweights, I don't like this one either. But mostly because it's pointless.. not because it gives an advantage. To me it's similar to Pac - Margarito.. because you basically have two JR MW's fighting at 157 for the 160lb title.

Now Ive always said... fight the champion at the weight limit... allow him to weigh in at the limit... and I stick to that, I believe in that.

With that said though, I really, honestly... do not see an advantage for Williams making Martinez weigh in at 157.. if anything I think it would hinder Williams because he is naturally bigger than Martinez. Martinez never weighs in at the limit anyways.

I think this 157lb thing is completely pointless.. in a way where I see no advantage being taken on either side by it.

[jrosales13]

The Magarito fight for a vacant tltle at a catch-weight is bullshit. You can't defend it and people have every right to be critical.

However, I just laugh at the double standards in this place. This is no different than the Pac-Cotto catch-weight fight that some fans ****ted on Pac for and till this day refuse to give credit to Pac. Yet are willing to give a pass to P-Will

Whatever, I could careless both can make 154 IMO let alone 157. It will be an exciting fight. It is just the nuthugging and hating that goes on in this place is sometimes..........

[THE REED]

The Magarito fight for a vacant tltle at a catch-weight is bullshit. You can't defend it and people have every right to be critical.

However, I just laugh at the double standards in this place. This is no different than the Pac-Cotto catch-weight fight that some fans ****ted on Pac for and till this day refuse to give credit to Pac. Yet are willing to give a pass to P-Will

Whatever, I could careless both can make 154 IMO let alone 157. It will be an exciting fight. It is just the nuthugging and hating that goes on in this place is sometimes..........

I don't see it as the same.

Cotto struggles just to make 147... making him weigh 145 only further hindered him from being at his best.

Williams - Martinez are both JR MW's... blowing up to fight at 160lbs.. Williams asking for 157 in no way would effect Martinez like 145 did for Cotto..

[jrosales13]

I don't see it as the same.

Cotto struggles just to make 147... making him weigh 145 only further hindered him from being at his best.

Williams - Martinez are both JR MW's... blowing up to fight at 160lbs.. Williams asking for 157 in no way would effect Martinez like 145 did for Cotto..

Over half of Cotto WW fight he weight under the 147 limit.

In his fight prior he weight-in at 146 and Pac weight-in 138 prior.

I realy didn't see any advantage for Pac at 145 having Cotto coming in 1 pound less than his previous fight.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

If you want to play Devil's Advocate you wouldn't bring up a victory from another era. You'd be rational. But you're just whining for whining sake.

You call it whining because it breaks down your logic. Ok forget the Martinez win. Both hold a win over a 154lb belt holder, Cotto.

[THE REED]

Over half of Cotto WW fight he weight under the 147 limit.

In his fight prior he weight-in at 146 and Pac weight-in 138 prior.

I realy didn't see any advantage for Pac at 145 having Cotto coming in 1 pound less than his previous fight.

Alright... I saw it as a disadvantage then... and especially moreso than Martinez having to weigh 157, he's still the damn 154lb champion for Christ sake.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Well the fight is done. You betting on Martinez?

Is Paul Williams a "cowardly ass fighter"?

We all know you're a cowardly ass poster.