Roach: MMA has a brighter future than Boxing, harder for a boxer to go into MMA

[Lead Cenobite]

was wondering if you know mma.

what can a boxer do with thigh kicks, body kicks, round house etc? hows jab gonna do with push kick? it has no power but it lost the momentum of the attacker. u may counter, push kick with lateral movements but how effective is it? regarding, the bob and weave in boxing, it is prone to the knees of the muay thai practitioner. now, what if the boxer havent ko his opponent and the bjj, wrestler or judo, clinched the boxer..how would he react then?

i dont belittle boxing but dont look down at mma.

and dont use forrest griffin. forrest being a champion is fluke. he has alot of heart. and like boxing, hes win against rampage is controversial. if u watched rashad how he beat forrest..u can see how a boxer would do when taken down by an elite wrestler. forrest is winning is striking because of his footwork but when he commit mistake when rashad bait him to kick..then the rest is history. forrest lost to anderson..but anderson is known more mot as a boxer but muay thai.

i dont know if roy jones really said, what uve posted..but roy jones is already shot that he is just hyping himself to be in the limelight to cover up his numerous lost.

I like how you basically parrot what Joe Rogaine said in his argument against Lou D. in that ESPN segment about four years back. Wow.

You do realize that Joe Rogaine is an Eddie Bravo Black Belt but has zero understand of striking don't you? I mean one only has to listen to his piss poor ****ty UFC commentary on the standup to realize the guy is five steps away from clueless.

You outed yourself when you talked about "bobbing and weaving being open to thai knees". That's the kind of **** people who just started watching the fad that is the UFC say. Really? All boxers "bob and weave"? All Thai boxers are knee specialists from a distance and not in the plum (This one is hilarious). Most boxers don't "bob and weave" for starters to any great exaggerated effect that would be open for some thai guy doing an massive outside flying knee (yeah, okay). They are open to lead roundhouses and head kicks for example. Just as thai boxers have D- grade hands and are open to tons of boxing attacks, never mind the thai boxers "footwork" which is a joke. I'm not going to even get into UFC fighters' footwork in general because it's offensively bad and makes me sick to think about.

Also Anderson silva is "mostly a boxer"? Huh?

As far as "know MMA" you're just parroting the same **** you've heard from redneck UFC fans and douches like Dana and Rogaine.

For one thing if the "BJJ guy clinched" with almost anyone it's a lock he's not taking anyone down (if we are talking pure style vs. style which basically doesn't exist anyway). BJJ guys have horrifically awful takedowns. They easily can get KOed in the clinch by just about anyone if they have not worked on their Judo or wrestling. I mean the strand and drag they use is a joke.

I'm not going to get into how the watered down "unified rules" of UFC BARELY even counts as MMA any longer. That's another thread.

But if you think the sloppy D grade toughman kickboxing contests you regularly see on UFC are examples of the "best fighting in the world" well you my friend, have been duped.

[#1Assassin]

I dont see how anyone in there right mind can say it's harder to go from boxing to mma then it is to go from mma to boxing. Most guys on sherdog even know better.

First off.. MMA is what it says. Mixed. If you have already mastered that one aspect, then you at least being a boxer have a punchers chance. It's about being good at 2-3 things rather then mastering one art.

Iv'e never heard of MMA guy's transfering over to boxing and suceeding, but there are multiple guys who come from boxing and do ok. Some better then others. Most if not all the guys who go over are failed or past it boxers.

Yeah sure its so hard to get into MMA, that all forms of people and athletes have done it. For alot of guys in MMA, MMA was not their first option but the next, last, or easiest option to get into.

couldnt agree more. its not easier for a pro wrestler who used to be an amateur wrestler to go into mma late in his life than it is for a world class boxer. lesnar became champ in what, his third fight?

a guy coming from mma has no chance in boxing whatsoever. his skills are just gonna be on a lower level, some of them could have a go in the golden gloves though.

alot of guys in mma only been doing it a few years, even the top guys. if a world class boxer commits himself to learning mma he could be champ in 2-3 years.

[Killa Killa]

Boxing>MMA, end of story...

[Lead Cenobite]

couldnt agree more. its not easier for a pro wrestler who used to be an amateur wrestler to go into mma late in his life than it is for a world class boxer. lesnar became champ in what, his third fight?

a guy coming from mma has no chance in boxing whatsoever. his skills are just gonna be on a lower level, some of them could have a go in the golden gloves though.

alot of guys in mma only been doing it a few years, even the top guys. if a world class boxer commits himself to learning mma he could be champ in 2-3 years.

This is true. Other than heavyweights, the talent pool in boxing is just much deeper.

The only REAL athletes who are world class in the UFC are the wrestlers and you'll notice that most of them dominate as a style and a training method and that's even WITH the ****ty stand up rules that try to favor the strikers.

[mrpain81]

MMA is dying, the fad is over.

It's about to go the same route as pro wrestling in the 90's and pride in Japan.

R.I.P

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I like how you basically parrot what Joe Rogaine said in his argument against Lou D. in that ESPN segment about four years back. Wow.

You do realize that Joe Rogaine is an Eddie Bravo Black Belt but has zero understand of striking don't you? I mean one only has to listen to his piss poor ****ty UFC commentary on the standup to realize the guy is five steps away from clueless.

You outed yourself when you talked about "bobbing and weaving being open to thai knees". That's the kind of **** people who just started watching the fad that is the UFC say. Really? All boxers "bob and weave"? All Thai boxers are knee specialists from a distance and not in the plum (This one is hilarious). Most boxers don't "bob and weave" for starters to any great exaggerated effect that would be open for some thai guy doing an massive outside flying knee (yeah, okay). They are open to lead roundhouses and head kicks for example. Just as thai boxers have D- grade hands and are open to tons of boxing attacks, never mind the thai boxers "footwork" which is a joke. I'm not going to even get into UFC fighters' footwork in general because it's offensively bad and makes me sick to think about.

Also Anderson silva is "mostly a boxer"? Huh?

As far as "know MMA" you're just parroting the same **** you've heard from redneck UFC fans and douches like Dana and Rogaine.

For one thing if the "BJJ guy clinched" with almost anyone it's a lock he's not taking anyone down (if we are talking pure style vs. style which basically doesn't exist anyway). BJJ guys have horrifically awful takedowns. They easily can get KOed in the clinch by just about anyone if they have not worked on their Judo or wrestling. I mean the strand and drag they use is a joke.

I'm not going to get into how the watered down "unified rules" of UFC BARELY even counts as MMA any longer. That's another thread.

But if you think the sloppy D grade toughman kickboxing contests you regularly see on UFC are examples of the "best fighting in the world" well you my friend, have been duped.

chill out man. ive nothing against boxing, as boxing is my base sport.

i was just trying to explain that it is not so easy as what the one i quoted what he was sayin? did i belittle boxing when i said bob and weave? i was tryin to cite that he is exposed to knees? and am not even talking about world class fighter there. what i was sayin is its not that easy to succeed in that sport just because ur a boxer.

2nd. dont mention rogan. am irritated to that guy too.
3rd, i dont mean most on silva i mean not. anderson is a muay thai specialist..hes lost is from a wrestler and one dq.

3rd, i dont reviewed my post..i know clinched shouldnt be part of bjj (my fault). its only on muay thai, and wrestling , and judo. i hope u wont accuse me of saying what i do not know.

btw, yes bjj has awful take down but it eveloved know since the gracies. bjj adopted the wrestling takedwons.

i guess. mma is a real threat. u r a boxing genius and u shown a great deal of knowledge in mma meaning u take an interest with it.

[Lead Cenobite]

chill out man. ive nothing against boxing, as boxing is my base sport.

i was just trying to explain that it is not so easy as what the one i quoted what he was sayin? did i belittle boxing when i said bob and weave? i was tryin to cite that he is exposed to knees? and am not even talking about world class fighter there. what i was sayin is its not that easy to succeed in that sport just because ur a boxer.

2nd. dont mention rogan. am irritated to that guy too.
3rd, i dont mean most on silva i mean not. anderson is a muay thai specialist..hes lost is from a wrestler and one dq.

3rd, i dont reviewed my post..i know clinched shouldnt be part of bjj (my fault). its only on muay thai, and wrestling , and judo. i hope u wont accuse me of saying what i do not know.

btw, yes bjj has awful take down but it eveloved know since the gracies. bjj adopted the wrestling takedwons.

i guess. mma is a real threat. u r a boxing genius and u shown a great deal of knowledge in mma meaning u take an interest with it.

I started training NHB, BJJ, Judo, Wrestling and Thai before I ever boxed.

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This is true. Other than heavyweights, the talent pool in boxing is just much deeper.

The only REAL athletes who are world class in the UFC are the wrestlers and you'll notice that most of them dominate as a style and a training method and that's even WITH the ****ty stand up rules that try to favor the strikers.

lesnar is a real wrestler in college. check his resume.

yet, i believe lesnar has alot to learn in mma first (his 3 wins against mir, couture and herring isnt enough to make him as a champ) .but its business. ufc is using him cause he has lots of fan base.

so, ufc as a face of mma has directions in mainstreaming the sports worldwide.

and boxing, still the way it was in the past.

[PensionKiller]

MMA imo has kind of hit its peak. I don't see it getting bigger than what it is. This may be me hating but whenever I see their ppvs numbers it seems to be around 400,000 unless a major guy is fighting(gsp,silva). It seems like thats there fan base and it really hasn't picked up much momentum. Also, boxing is cheap to partake in and will always be the worlds sport. It's like soccer v football. Soccer will always be number 1 due to the fact it is cheap as hell.

There are more Soccer games in the world happening than any other sport IMO.

Almost every country plays it and has a national team.

Tickets may be cheap in the US, I don't know but in the big games here, they are not cheap.

The world cup and European cup happens every 4 years. These games you are spending so much money, especially black market tickets.

Even champion legue games.

Teams play each other, and in other countries for example the champions legue is between the best in Europe. How the hell is a plane ticket cheap?

[Lead Cenobite]

There are more Soccer games in the world happening than any other sport IMO.

Almost every country plays it and has a national team.

Tickets may be cheap in the US, I don't know but in the big games here, they are not cheap.

The world cup and European cup happens every 4 years. These games you are spending so much money, especially black market tickets.

Even champion legue games.

Teams play each other, and in other countries for example the champions legue is between the best in Europe. How the hell is a plane ticket cheap?

He means cheap to play and practice. Anyone can do it no matter how poor. Just get a ball and find some grass and play.