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  • BIGPOPPAPUMP
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    Comments Thread For: “Fighting Words” – IBO Debate: Pundit and The President

    by David P. Greisman - Change is easy. Acceptance is the hard part.

    Boxing has gone from having one major sanctioning body to having two, from having two major sanctioning bodies to having three, and from having three major sanctioning bodies to having four.

    Having four sanctioning bodies – the World Boxing Association, World Boxing Council, International Boxing Federation, and World Boxing Organization – has been the status quo for more than a decade now.

    On the outside looking in is the International Boxing Organization, or IBO, which pitches itself as an agent of change.

    Change is easy.

    The IBO refers to itself as a “champion of integrity,” with its main selling point being what it calls its “unbiased, computerized rankings.” The goal, in a sport where most observers are disillusioned with sanctioning bodies that are never described as having integrity, is for the IBO to be seen not merely as the fifth major sanctioning body, but as the one major sanctioning body different than the other four.

    Acceptance is the hard part.

    I’ve been critical of the IBO. In late 2007, I noted that while it had “yet to reach the depths of infamy discovered by its more-recognized counterparts,” its belts did not yet have “the legitimacy that has been bestowed, rightly or otherwise, upon the big four.”

    I had concerns, what I felt was valid criticism, and went into these occasionally in the past couple years.

    Changing your mind isn’t easy.

    An experienced newspaper columnist once told me he shook off criticism of his opinions because, he said, “I know I’m right.”

    I realize, now, I could be wrong.

    I realized I’d been holding the IBO to higher standards than I do the WBA, WBC, IBF and WBO, that I’d been using those double standards to write the IBO off.

    I still had the same concerns. I still had what I felt was legitimate criticism. But instead of just raising questions, I sought answers. [Click Here To Read More]
  • Iceta Lives
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    Why the hell would Tapia come back? He got stopped by a bum on a body shot not too long ago.

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    • Mr. David
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      #3
      Originally posted by Lenny Anaconda
      Why the hell would Tapia come back? He got stopped by a bum on a body shot not too long ago.
      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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      • warp1432
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        #4
        Very good read.

        While the IBO might do somethings right, if we accepted it, it would only add to more confusion. Also giving an organization more power or credibility would let them be able to gain more tolerance, which could end up in corruption.

        There is one point of the article where it is brought up how lower ranked unknwons is like 2 higher ranked unknowns fighting for the WBC or WBO. This is a good point, but in the end they both aren't considered champions because they haven't beaten any top competition.

        In the end, accepting the IBO only adds to more general confusion and it is completely unesessary to even have another belt. Even if it's better then the WBA or the WBO, they're all **** in the end.

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        • antrob
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          Once again Boxingscene is trying to pump up the IBO. People underservly give Ring Magazine **** because they are owned by Golden Boy but we are supposed to turn a blind eye that Boxingscene who has a big IBO ad on their their front page keeps trying to shove the IBO down are throat. Take a look at their "champions". Only baby brother and chad dawson are legimate champions (they stripped Pacman of his "title"). The IBO has a long way to go before they should be consider the 5th organizaion. Intel they do we shouldn't bestow them that honor.

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          • Mr. David
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            antrob, you want to accuse me of something?

            If you at all think my writing could ever be bought off, you've definitely not been following me in the five years I've been issuing opinions, no holds barred.

            I've been criticizing the IBO since late 2007, and as recently as this past November was slamming them. But I came to the exact realization I listed in the article -- I was holding them to a higher standard than the other organizations. Double standards don't do.

            In fact, I reached out to the IBO for this article, not the other way around.

            Am I shoving them down your throat? Read again. I said I'm not ready to accept them yet as sanctioning body #5, and I said exactly why.

            You're welcome to your opinion, but you need to check yourself if you think your accusations are founded in reality.
            Last edited by Mr. David; 01-18-2010, 01:34 AM.

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            • antrob
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              Originally posted by Mr. David
              antrob, you want to accuse me of something?

              If you at all think my writing could ever be bought off, you've definitely not been following me in the five years I've been issuing opinions, no holds barred.

              I've been criticizing the IBO since late 2007, and as recently as this past November was slamming them. But I came to the exact realization I listed in the article -- I was holding them to a higher standard than the other organizations. Double standards don't do.

              In fact, I reached out to the IBO for this article, not the other way around.

              Am I shoving them down your throat? Read again. I said I'm not ready to accept them yet as sanctioning body #5, and I said exactly why.

              You're welcome to your opinion, but you need to check yourself if you think your accusations are founded in reality.
              First off Mr. Greisman let me tell you I respect your work. Like Doug Fischer Monday mailbags and Peter King MMQB I look forward to your article every monday. All I am doing as a Boxing fan is pointing out what im seeing. To me it seems like this website is realing trying to pump up the IBO it's not just this article. If it sounds like im accusing you in pacticular of being "bought off" so what. You guys give us a fourm after every article to give our opinion and all I did was give mine. Don't take it personal. And if you do once again so what. You'll keep writing and i'll keep reading.

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              • Dave Rado
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                Originally posted by Mr. David
                But I came to the exact realization I listed in the article -- I was holding them to a higher standard than the other organizations. Double standards don't do.
                I strongly disagree in this case. A fifth sanctioning body would be very bad for boxing unless they are dramatically better than the other four - so much better than the others that they end up driving some of them out of business and causing others to be forced to reform themselves. And that is exactly what they claim to be trying to do, in fact it's their raison d'être. So they should, absolutely, be held to a far higher standard than the other organisations - it's not double standards to do so at all.

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                • Tiozzo
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                  #9
                  Very interesting article. It's true the IBO has had some great champions, the true linear champs in their division. With that said, I would have liked further explanation as to why the IBO lets fighters ranked 30 and 15 for example fight against each other for the belt. I don't really get it.

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                  • Tiozzo
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dave Rado
                    I strongly disagree in this case. A fifth sanctioning body would be very bad for boxing unless they are dramatically better than the other four - so much better than the others that they end up driving some of them out of business and causing others to be forced to reform themselves. And that is exactly what they claim to be trying to do, in fact it's their raison d'être. So they should, absolutely, be held to a far higher standard than the other organisations - it's not double standards to do so at all.
                    Well said.

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