Someone please give me a rational explanation as to why Pacquiao does not want TESTIN

[cherokee]

"You don't negotiate with *********s, and you sure as hell don't submit to character smearing bullies. It's a BS position to state that "multiple" people have accused Manny, so he needs to prove himself. The accusations are baseless. Those who have accused Manny are just pulling crap out of the air like, "Manny has looked so good while gaining weight, he must be on something". Are you serious? That's just jealously and spite."

from 411mania.com

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absolutely spot on!

[tibbar]

In my humble opinion, you are not looking for rationality but confirmations on your beliefs.

this is a bait thread, flayaboy is only baiting, this kind of thread should be ignored and TS as well.

[Reloaded]

Stop going off on a tangent would you! He is hurting his chances of getting 40milion by asking Pac to take tests he dont have to take, and shouldnt be asked to take. Pac shouldnt take anything PBF hasnt asked of anyone before.

If PBF does ask pac to take something he hasnt asked anyone before, he is making excuses not to make 40 million to me.

You are foolish , what Tangent is your school teacher rave on ?

You have given no rational explanation based on logic , you give explanation based on being a fan.

So just for you some rational evidence from a world expert showing why this type of testing is needed in this fight and why Floyd has every right to ask for this type of testing .

How should the doping authorities pursue the drug-cheats? The 'alturistic' Conte laid it out for them:

How could the doping police do a better job? Conte insists that he has answered these questions. He has had three meetings with the US AntiDoping Agency and in February 2005 he spent three hours with an official from Wada. “And I didn’t do it in exchange for leniency,” he said. “I did it for the right reasons: to create a fully cooperative acknowledgement of the massive drug problem in elite sport.”

For the doping authorities to be more successful, he recommends better target-testing. “When you see that the fastest two men in the world are both from a track club in Los Angeles, for instance, or the Bay Area, or North Carolina or Jamaica – this should be worth looking at. What you need to do is take the dollars you have and the number of tests you have and focus your resources on the top ten in each event. Why test the top 100 – the people who are not winning races and not winning dollars? Why test everybody two times when you could test the top ten ten times?”

He also recommends better timing of the testing. “The testing used to drop off hugely in the fourth quarter of the year. But my point is, this is the off-season quarter when the athletes are using substances for their intensive weight training. Why did the testers decide to take a nap then?”

This is why, he said, Balco’s level of sophistication is not required to be a cheat. “I know of people who have very little information and are still able to get round the procedures. The authorities say they are improving – and they are. But is it still relatively easy for athletes to use drugs and beat the system? The answer is yes.”

WADA has become more sophisticated in catching anabolic steroid users, however the athletes manipulate the chemical properties of the drugs to beat the system. Fast acting testosterone is out of their bodies before the anti-doping police catch up:

“The use of designer drugs is significantly lower now because they [Wada] have changed the rules and now, if they find anything related in structure [to another illegal substance], even if they don’t know what it is, they can call it a positive test,” Conte said. “So now people are doing it with fast-acting testosterone. They can use, for example, testosterone undecanoate; a lot of athletes are doing it in Italy, it’s freely available in Mexico.

“You take these pills – typically 40 milligrams each – three or four times a day and you need to duck and dive for only a short time because they clear the system in four days. So you can do very intense weight training for just a couple of weeks and significantly enhance your explosive strength.”

[ALG United]

So far, I have not read any rational explanation. They have all been ****** and silly explanations (needle phobia, weaking due to taking out blood, intrusive, etc.) These are all explanations that I have refuted and will refute here if you post them again.

So, PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH A RATIONAL EXPLANATION. Why does Manny Pacquiao want to leave doubts about his legacy by not taking the RANDOM blood testing?

You are just a hater man. At the start when floyd insisted for an olympic style drug testing, manny's camp were more than willing and accepted the request in an instant. But then under that clause, manny has to submit himself to 7-8 random blood testing the entire training schedule, manny always does 8 weeks of training, so are they expecting manny to do the blood test every week during training? Wtf is that, a blood test every other week i think is more than enough already. Then team pac offered in the initial negotiation the 3days blood test with unlimited number of urine test. The problem is, the mayweathers along with GBP leaked that detail to the press and claimed it to be the final offer already from team pac, wtf is that, their in the middle of negotiations man, they should have just offered a counter proposal as simple as that!! These are clearly malicious insinuations hoping to get public sympathy and discredit manny as an ATG fighter, why would they do that if floyd really wants to fight manny. And then just recently just to save the fight, manny already is willing to comply with the NSAC rules and subject himself to random blood/urine testing, just as long its only the NSAC who's doing it. The NSAC will be working in close collaboration with USADA on this one, team pac just wants one agency to be on top of the test. But lo and behold, after hearing about this new turn of events, roger mayweather also recently made a statement that the NSAC uses fake doctors as their staff. What the F****K is that now?!! Do the mayweathers really want this fight to happen, to me they are just a bunch of *******!!

[ThunderWolf]

Please give me an explanation (A RATIONAL EXPLANATION. TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF PACQUIAO'S ASS PLEASE) as to why Pacquiao should not do the RANDOM BLOOD TESTING.

I think it would be a great way to clear up and su****ion.

Because he doesn`t have to, simple as that. He will only do what is required by law to participate in a fight, not what is required by the mere brains of the Mayweathers. It is an exercise in human rights. Nor will he allow himself, as welterweight champion to be dictated upon by a crownless challenger.

[FLYBOY]

You are foolish , what Tangent is your school teacher rave on ?

You have given no rational explanation based on logic , you give explanation based on being a fan.

So just for you some rational evidence from a world expert showing why this type of testing is needed in this fight and why Floyd has every right to ask for this type of testing .

How should the doping authorities pursue the drug-cheats? The 'alturistic' Conte laid it out for them:

How could the doping police do a better job? Conte insists that he has answered these questions. He has had three meetings with the US AntiDoping Agency and in February 2005 he spent three hours with an official from Wada. “And I didn’t do it in exchange for leniency,” he said. “I did it for the right reasons: to create a fully cooperative acknowledgement of the massive drug problem in elite sport.”

For the doping authorities to be more successful, he recommends better target-testing. “When you see that the fastest two men in the world are both from a track club in Los Angeles, for instance, or the Bay Area, or North Carolina or Jamaica – this should be worth looking at. What you need to do is take the dollars you have and the number of tests you have and focus your resources on the top ten in each event. Why test the top 100 – the people who are not winning races and not winning dollars? Why test everybody two times when you could test the top ten ten times?”

He also recommends better timing of the testing. “The testing used to drop off hugely in the fourth quarter of the year. But my point is, this is the off-season quarter when the athletes are using substances for their intensive weight training. Why did the testers decide to take a nap then?”

This is why, he said, Balco’s level of sophistication is not required to be a cheat. “I know of people who have very little information and are still able to get round the procedures. The authorities say they are improving – and they are. But is it still relatively easy for athletes to use drugs and beat the system? The answer is yes.”

WADA has become more sophisticated in catching anabolic steroid users, however the athletes manipulate the chemical properties of the drugs to beat the system. Fast acting testosterone is out of their bodies before the anti-doping police catch up:

“The use of designer drugs is significantly lower now because they [Wada] have changed the rules and now, if they find anything related in structure [to another illegal substance], even if they don’t know what it is, they can call it a positive test,” Conte said. “So now people are doing it with fast-acting testosterone. They can use, for example, testosterone undecanoate; a lot of athletes are doing it in Italy, it’s freely available in Mexico.

“You take these pills – typically 40 milligrams each – three or four times a day and you need to duck and dive for only a short time because they clear the system in four days. So you can do very intense weight training for just a couple of weeks and significantly enhance your explosive strength.”

Thank You.

[FLYBOY]

Because he doesn`t have to, simple as that. He will only do what is required by law to participate in a fight, not what is required by the mere brains of the Mayweathers. It is an exercise in human rights. Nor will he allow himself, as welterweight champion to be dictated upon by a crownless challenger.

LOL at the human rights comment. READ. LEARN. GET INTELLIGENT OR DIE TRYIN'.

[FLYBOY]

I'm not hating on Pacquiao and I'm not a "*****". I'm just a huge Boxing fan. And would like to see the sport prosper. That means enteratining fights and clean fighters (who do not rely on plaster of paris, PED's etc.) because this is a dangerous sport and any "extra help" can be very dangerous. Having said that, Floyd is completely right in asking for the random testing. It's ok for Pacquiao to ask for the 147 lb weight limit, 50-50 split, 8 oz. gloves for this fight and catchweights, ring size, bigger split etc. in others but it's not ok for Floyd to ask for RANDOM tests?! Come on! Give me a break! If anything, Floyd has potentially revolutionized the sport because this could potentially bring in random blood testing and random urine testing which would make the sport a lot more cleaner.
Pacquiao does not want to do the tests because he has something to hide... PERIOD. Prove me wrong Pacquiao by doing the random blood tests.

[Mares]

random testing = less preparation = less time for the masking agent to take affect = busted

[guzi815]

Innocent till proven guilty.

There's ways to get around a urinalysis...

(Most toxins can not be detected for 6 hours with "Q-Carb", but an experienced toxicologist can read the sugar levels and knows what's up!)

But a blood sample or hair follicle....you're done! Can't get away from that one!