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  • 1Eriugenus
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    Agree with Boxing2695. Sometimes guys will say 'I'm still in training, still sparring', but TBBH they are just going through the motions. That can end very badly.It is a cliche but its a cliche because it contains some truth:you play football or cricket or rugby. You never never play boxing.

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  • Boxing2695
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    Think Edwards said he's been boxing since he was like 6-7 years old so that's still 21 years being in the gym training, sparring, and then having fights. I can imagine it's taxing mentally and physically for some guys.. Naz was the same he boxed from a very young age and he retired when he was barely 28 and the same with Barry Mcguigan he was also 28 and both got offered big money to come back but they just knew they didn't have the desire or the passion anymore because when that's gone then you can start to get really bashed up and hurt in there.. like his promoter Eddie hearn said the guys got enough money now to do jump into other ventures and doesn't need to box.

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  • MulaKO
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    Originally posted by BustedKnuckles View Post

    Agreed and good insight. Competition takes a winning mindset. If you lose the mindset, you lose the competition.
    Nicely put

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  • A.B Counterhooks
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    Originally posted by 1Eriugenus View Post
    I don’t think you understand why Edwards And Hamed couldn’t come back. If you box at the highest level you always think you are the baddest MoFo out there. You have to. I hate it when keyboard warriors say a fighter is‘arrogant. Yeah, damn right he is arrogant, there has never been a good fighter that wasn’t, going back to Sam Langford and Bob Fitzsimmons. Top boxers always have to convince themselves, I am the baddest MoFo out there. When you get beat it is a brutal psychological blow. It is always open for a puncher to say ‘I didn’t land my best shot’. It is always open to a brawler to say ‘I let him keep away from me’. If you don’t have those comforting thoughts you come back to that bitter truth, ‘I fought a man that was better than me’. As soon as you accept that, you start acting different in sparring, pulling away from punches or just pushing in instead of committing yourself, because you’re no longer confident that you can slip the man’s punches and counter. Once you lose that belief that ‘I’m the man’ then you should think about calling it a day, you can get hurt otherwise.
    Great accurate post.

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  • 1Eriugenus
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    'The Vasquez death seems to have truly touched a ton more people than I thought it would. That is a great legacy that reflects on a good man.'

    I didn't contribute to the thing that was set up, because I thought WBC shoulda paid it all anyway & so I wasn't convinced. It wasn't because I doubted Israel. I will happily contribute if someone sets something up for his family.

    That man had 'warrior' imprinted in him. I'm just in awe of Israel Vasqez.

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  • Corelone
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    Many lose at lower levels so the damage is not as bad. Many get one shot KOd and they do not remember the punch. Sunny was throttled by Bam at his peak. Sunny walked into the lion's den with a prayer a pea shooter. He did not age by himself. He was aged

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  • BustedKnuckles
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    Originally posted by 1Eriugenus View Post
    I don’t think you understand why Edwards And Hamed couldn’t come back. If you box at the highest level you always think you are the baddest MoFo out there. You have to. I hate it when keyboard warriors say a fighter is‘arrogant. Yeah, damn right he is arrogant, there has never been a good fighter that wasn’t, going back to Sam Langford and Bob Fitzsimmons. Top boxers always have to convince themselves, I am the baddest MoFo out there. When you get beat it is a brutal psychological blow. It is always open for a puncher to say ‘I didn’t land my best shot’. It is always open to a brawler to say ‘I let him keep away from me’. If you don’t have those comforting thoughts you come back to that bitter truth, ‘I fought a man that was better than me’. As soon as you accept that, you start acting different in sparring, pulling away from punches or just pushing in instead of committing yourself, because you’re no longer confident that you can slip the man’s punches and counter. Once you lose that belief that ‘I’m the man’ then you should think about calling it a day, you can get hurt otherwise.
    Agreed and good insight. Competition takes a winning mindset. If you lose the mindset, you lose the competition.
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  • landotter
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    Originally posted by Joseph View Post
    Poor Sunny... Such a brave dude with next to no power to bail him out when the reflexes go. If you don't have power, you "age" quicker in a lot of ways.

    RIP to Vazquez. A shame.
    Excellent post. Edwards has no apologies to make. He accomplished plenty in a short time and got out (so long as he sticks to it) with his health intact.

    The Vasquez death seems to have truly touched a ton more people than I thought it would. That is a great legacy that reflects on a good man.
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  • Joseph
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    Poor Sunny... Such a brave dude with next to no power to bail him out when the reflexes go. If you don't have power, you "age" quicker in a lot of ways.

    RIP to Vazquez. A shame.

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  • 1Eriugenus
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    I don’t think you understand why Edwards And Hamed couldn’t come back. If you box at the highest level you always think you are the baddest MoFo out there. You have to. I hate it when keyboard warriors say a fighter is‘arrogant. Yeah, damn right he is arrogant, there has never been a good fighter that wasn’t, going back to Sam Langford and Bob Fitzsimmons. Top boxers always have to convince themselves, I am the baddest MoFo out there. When you get beat it is a brutal psychological blow. It is always open for a puncher to say ‘I didn’t land my best shot’. It is always open to a brawler to say ‘I let him keep away from me’. If you don’t have those comforting thoughts you come back to that bitter truth, ‘I fought a man that was better than me’. As soon as you accept that, you start acting different in sparring, pulling away from punches or just pushing in instead of committing yourself, because you’re no longer confident that you can slip the man’s punches and counter. Once you lose that belief that ‘I’m the man’ then you should think about calling it a day, you can get hurt otherwise.

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