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  • Originally posted by sweetlover1988 View Post
    I cant take anyone serious that start their sentence saying that it was an easy W for either guy. If you really do think that, you either have no clue what youre watching or youre letting the emotions take over.

    This was as close as it can be. Bivol was doing well in the early rounds (I had him up 4-1 going into the 6th) and from there it was getting even. At the end I had it 115-113 Beterbiev and Bivol should be angry at himself for pretty much giving the last 3 rounds. It was so close that had he won only a round out of the last 3 it wouldve been a draw.

    Its honestly laughable and funny seeing some people all in their feelings over that decision claiming it was a robbery lmao. I get it you lost a bet yesterday thats ok. But this a robbery? get your eyes checked.

    Why is it that nowadays every close fight is a robbery?
    I think that it's because people see everything in black and white while missing the gray. People want to be right , for some it's almost a need. It was a close fight and a reasonable argument could be made for either guy deserving the nod in my opinion. I was pulling for Beterbiev but I don't think that it's at all unreasonable to believe that Bivol won. I didn't score it while watching it , but at the end I really wasn't expecting Artur to get the decision.

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    • Originally posted by pnut901 View Post

      I think that it's because people see everything in black and white while missing the gray. People want to be right , for some it's almost a need. It was a close fight and a reasonable argument could be made for either guy deserving the nod in my opinion. I was pulling for Beterbiev but I don't think that it's at all unreasonable to believe that Bivol won. I didn't score it while watching it , but at the end I really wasn't expecting Artur to get the decision.
      Even though I thought Beterbiev won 115-113, I really thought the judge would give it to Bivol (especially when I heard the UD). It was a weird fight tbh... very technical and wasnt really fan friendly. Not much happened but once again, were talking about 2 guys that are P4P top 10.

      Im all for the rematch. Bivol deserves it and as you said it couldve easily been 115-113 for him. Any 116-112 or 117-113 for either of them is suspect IMO.

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      • Originally posted by sweetlover1988 View Post

        Even though I thought Beterbiev won 115-113, I really thought the judge would give it to Bivol (especially when I heard the UD). It was a weird fight tbh... very technical and wasnt really fan friendly. Not much happened but once again, were talking about 2 guys that are P4P top 10.

        Im all for the rematch. Bivol deserves it and as you said it couldve easily been 115-113 for him. Any 116-112 or 117-113 for either of them is suspect IMO.
        A lot actually happened IMO ...
        • Bivol resigning to fight Beterbiev's fight because Artur wouldn't leave him an inch to fight his...
        • Beterbiev able to apply pressure like he usually does but unable to land the mighty overhand right cleanly ...
        • Bivol's ability to evade the ropes at any time. I remember maybe 2 instances where Beterbiev was actually able to do his usual Body-Body-Head combos leaning on the ropes...
        • Beterbiev suffocating pressure and activity...
        • Bivol over-par defense not letting much go through but still getting painted from blocking the shots...
        • Most of all, the lowest landing % ever from Beterbiev was enough to be on par Bivol's actual landing shots count...
        Actually a fascinating fight from the Boxing 101 side of things... Would watch again !
        Last edited by Superbee; 10-13-2024, 11:31 AM.
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        • Russia won, what a surprise

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          • Originally posted by Superbee View Post

            A lot actually happened IMO ...
            • Bivol resigning to fight Beterbiev's fight because Artur wouldn't leave him an inch to fight his...
            • Beterbiev able to apply pressure like he usually does but unable to land the mighty overhand right cleanly ...
            • Bivol's ability to evade the ropes at any time. I remember maybe 2 instances where Beterbiev was actually able to do his usual Body-Body-Head combos leaning on the ropes...
            • Beterbiev suffocating pressure and activity...
            • Bivol over-par defense not letting much go through but still getting painted from blocking the shots...
            • Most of all, the lowest landing % ever from Beterbiev was enough to be on par Bivol's actual landing shots count...
            Actually a fascinating fight from the Boxing 101 side of things... Would watch again !
            I meant to say nothing happened in term of entertainment for the casual fan -- like it wasnt the kind of fight that get you off your seat. As I said, for us that been following or been involved in the sport, its different which is why I say it was highly technical. Bivol was making Beterbiev second guess himself out there in the early rounds. I thought Bivol did great especially at the beginning.

            But Beterbiev showed up in the championship rounds, Bivol hasnt. Im looking forward a rematch -- Bivol deserves it.

            I had Beterbiev 115-113 btw but pretty much everyone with me beside one guy that had it a draw thought Bivol won. Bivol will be mad at himself when he see that all he had to do was to win 1 round out of the last 3 for a draw.

            Cant blame him though... those body shots from Beterbiev started to show.
            Last edited by sweetlover1988; 10-13-2024, 12:18 PM.

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            • Originally posted by TheOneAboveAll View Post

              Any fan with the capacity for rational thought understands that, once again, the problem with boxing isn't the judges, but rather the inane scoring system which poses four competing scoring criteria. These scoring criteria are not officially prioritized, so this allows scorers to pick and choose which criterion they want to emphasize and give primacy to while deprioritizing or outright dismissing the other criteria. Any thinking fan (even a rank noob) can understand how this would be problematic to fair and reasonable scoring. Among many obvious problems, the 4-criteria judging system allows scorers to adapt the scoring to their favorite fighter's style. If their fighter is a big puncher they would focus on heavy landed shots (as they should), but if their fighter is Jamaine Ortiz then they would likely prioritize the scoring of defense or ring generalship (the dumbest, vaguest criteria of all).

              No other competitive sport does what boxing does. Imagine if basketball had a scoring system with four competing scoring criteria (points scored, defense, aggressiveness and floor management (aka ring generalship)? We could see winning teams who actually score less points win a world championship because they played like the Globetrotters. That would be ridiculous, but that's precisely what happens with boxing. Fix the dumb scoring system. The one and only scoring criteria that matters is Clean, Hard Punching. Everything else is incidental to this.

              Bonus Suggestions: 1. Promote scoring even rounds for even rounds, instead of forcing a 10-9 round (what a concept) 2. Get rid of the arbitrary 10-pt must system.
              Bivol face won't lie he knows Bet was a better man I think was too much respect for the old man.

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              • Originally posted by moochi View Post
                I had it a draw. But what a fight ... fights like that should not even be scored and declare both winners
                lol boxing will be that way soon enough I'm sure

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                • Originally posted by pnut901 View Post

                  I think that it's because people see everything in black and white while missing the gray. People want to be right , for some it's almost a need. It was a close fight and a reasonable argument could be made for either guy deserving the nod in my opinion. I was pulling for Beterbiev but I don't think that it's at all unreasonable to believe that Bivol won. I didn't score it while watching it , but at the end I really wasn't expecting Artur to get the decision.
                  yeah I didn't score it live either but also surprised Betterbiev got it. I honestly was thinking it was gonna be a draw. seemed like Bivol pulled out atleast 7 better rds than Betterbiev. no way Bivol only won 4 rds lol. these are 2 best guys in the LHW division for certain. nobody beats these 2. Betterbiev is a freak lol. he just keeps coming. scary mf'r.
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                  • Originally posted by Corelone View Post
                    Betes wasn't trying to knock him out. Like Canelo v Munguia. Win, but don't embarrassing your countryman.
                    yes he was.

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                    • Originally posted by DClefthook View Post
                      Oooooooo you disloyal mothafuqers!!!! Looks like you been having fun at my expense you son of a bishes!! LOL Nah I didn't watch the fight because I just couldnt get up for two Ruskies fighting in Saudi at 6pm! My bad!!!
                      fooking casual lol.

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