Comments Thread For: Bob Arum Rages At 'Disgraceful' Scores For Josh Taylor-Jack Catterall II

[Sid-Knee]

I've seen many punch stats that go against the result of the fight...So seems unlikely. But who knows? maybe you are right? Someone should do a proper study. I think you only did a study on your fav fighters who you felt were hard done by. You need to do it across everyone and all results to definitively demonstrate bias

It has nothing to do with any fighter being a favourite of mine. But yes, it was what started it many years ago. I then started doing fights where the A side lost but got the decision on their promoter's platform.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Why would the promoter have corrupt judges all the time to get their guy the win? It's simple... To keep their guy making money for the both of them and to keep them in work. The same goes for corrupt refs and dodgy commentators who spew propaganda. Why would they go to that much trouble to get the one they want to win the fight but leave the punch stats out of it? We see the faces and know the names of the judges, refs and commentators. But not those who do the punch stats. If it's quite clear corruption is running in the area's i've mentioned, why do you think they wouldn't with the stats too?

It isn't just Taylor. The punch stats are bad wherever you go. But they're far worse with PBC, TopRank and GoldenBoy.

I've seen many punch stats that go against the result of the fight...So seems unlikely. But who knows? maybe you are right? Someone should do a proper study. I think you only did a study on your fav fighters who you felt were hard done by. You need to do it across everyone and all results to definitively demonstrate bias

[Sid-Knee]

lol I already explained the missed 100 thing was an obvious figure of speech. I was putting over a the point that making your opponent miss looks good but doesn't score you points. Very desperate to keep hanging onto that!

But like I said I had the first round 11/10 in favor of Fury. If Wilder keeps that 10 up per round he would have over 100 punches!

You still haven't explained why people pay to have the Compubox figures altered so that Josh Taylor looks a bit better in his loss?

Why would the promoter have corrupt judges all the time to get their guy the win? It's simple... To keep their guy making money for the both of them and to keep them in work. The same goes for corrupt refs and dodgy commentators who spew propaganda. Why would they go to that much trouble to get the one they want to win the fight but leave the punch stats out of it? We see the faces and know the names of the judges, refs and commentators. But not those who do the punch stats. If it's quite clear corruption is running in the area's i've mentioned, why do you think they wouldn't with the stats too?

It isn't just Taylor. The punch stats are bad wherever you go. But they're far worse with PBC, TopRank and GoldenBoy.

[Roberto Vasquez]

I'm not asking for them to be altered. I said they're inaccurate and should be ignored. Many people look to them to justify who supposedly won.

You said Wilder basically landed half of what he threw. You said he missed 100, but landed 100 too. He didn't come close.

I agree, checking on video after the fight would be a good idea. Then you can check to see what lands and what doesn't. That would be much better. But no way are they independent. They always favour the A side and who the promoter wants to win.

lol I already explained the missed 100 thing was an obvious figure of speech. I was putting over a the point that making your opponent miss looks good but doesn't score you points. Very desperate to keep hanging onto that!

But like I said I had the first round 11/10 in favor of Fury. If Wilder keeps that 10 up per round he would have over 100 punches!

You still haven't explained why people pay to have the Compubox figures altered so that Josh Taylor looks a bit better in his loss?

[Sid-Knee]

You still haven't explained why anyone would want Compubox figures altered when they don't effect the result of the fight??

Also I did my count on Fury/Wilder and R1 was pretty much in keeping with what Compubox said. Whereas you claimed Wilder was not landing punches - just because you don't like Wilder.

This is the real issue though :

"You have two operators at ringside. They each have a clicker with four buttons -- jab, jab miss, power, power miss. A power punch is any punch that is not a jab. Each operator focuses only on their assigned fighter and clicks away at their discretion. The computer tallies up the clicks and gives you totals and percentages."

So it's done live at ringside. It's not really any different to judges. we get a much better view watching the video afterwards. What we really need is a proper count after the fight - done using video.

I'm not asking for them to be altered. I said they're inaccurate and should be ignored. Many people look to them to justify who supposedly won.

You said Wilder basically landed half of what he threw. You said he missed 100, but landed 100 too. He didn't come close.

I agree, checking on video after the fight would be a good idea. Then you can check to see what lands and what doesn't. That would be much better. But no way are they independent. They always favour the A side and who the promoter wants to win.

[Roberto Vasquez]

It has nothing to do with who i do or don't support. You can check yourself and see if you want. I'm always honest when it comes to counting landed punches from both.

Punches landed should be those that land with the fist part, no inside of the glove. They have to be an actual punch, not a touch or a flick. I do that for both of them.

These stats are to convince the viewers that they didn't just see a robbery. The same way you listen to TopRank commentary on Sky and hear propaganda like no other from that Christine woman. She's always setting the scene for the eventual robbery. It's disgusting.

You still haven't explained why anyone would want Compubox figures altered when they don't effect the result of the fight??

Also I did my count on Fury/Wilder and R1 was pretty much in keeping with what Compubox said. Whereas you claimed Wilder was not landing punches - just because you don't like Wilder.

This is the real issue though :

"You have two operators at ringside. They each have a clicker with four buttons -- jab, jab miss, power, power miss. A power punch is any punch that is not a jab. Each operator focuses only on their assigned fighter and clicks away at their discretion. The computer tallies up the clicks and gives you totals and percentages."

So it's done live at ringside. It's not really any different to judges. we get a much better view watching the video afterwards. What we really need is a proper count after the fight - done using video.

[Sid-Knee]

Ok I will check this out soon. But already looks su****ious - you support Catterall and you clearly took punches off Taylor and then added punches on to Catteral! I would believe it more if you showed some punch stats from fights where you had to change the punch stats so that your guy clearly lost. It seems like your punch stats always support the guy you want to win...

Also given that Compubox figures don't even effect the result - seems unlikely they anyone would pay to alter them! When has a promoter ever talked about compubox figures?- it happens but very very rarely.

I actually just watched first round of Wilder/Fury 1 at half speed and it's pretty clear they didn't count a lot of both fighter's punches. Even watching the first minute Wilder lands about 4 punches (and they gave him 4 for the entire round). So I think it's just what they define as a punch that is confusing you. They probably have a house definition. By "any punch that lands" I had it about 11/10 to Fury (they had it 6/4 to Fury). Seems legit to me. I would have (just) given that round to Fury. He was actually quite poor at distance but good when the fighters got close which surprised me tbh. Wilder was way better at a distance - the actual boxing part

Also it felt like I was wasting my life doing this. Why or how you would do it is beyond me. To be 100% accurate I would have kept replaying certain parts. Because it's not always clear from certain angles (e.g. behind a fighter) if a punch lands or misses.

It has nothing to do with who i do or don't support. You can check yourself and see if you want. I'm always honest when it comes to counting landed punches from both.

Punches landed should be those that land with the fist part, no inside of the glove. They have to be an actual punch, not a touch or a flick. I do that for both of them.

These stats are to convince the viewers that they didn't just see a robbery. The same way you listen to TopRank commentary on Sky and hear propaganda like no other from that Christine woman. She's always setting the scene for the eventual robbery. It's disgusting.

[Roberto Vasquez]

The first 3 rounds, these are the overall punch stats they put out...

RD 1) Taylor 6, Catterall 10.
RD 2) Taylor 12, Catterall 11.
RD 3) Taylor 11, Catterall 11.

The actual punch stats are...

RD 1) Taylor 2, Catterall 10.
RD 2) Taylor 4, Catterall 13.
RD 3) Taylor 5, Catterall 12.

Taylor's numbers are pumped up, whereas Catterall's numbers in 2 of those rounds are dropped.

This was DAZN too where Catterall is their guy. If you want them where they're grotesque and absolutely corrupt, you want to look at TopRank. They're the worst. The guy they want to win has their numbers increased. The guy they want to lose has theirs decreased. PBC and GoldenBoy do the same. But TopRank is by far the absolute worse.

Where Wilder is concerned, do you really think he landed with every other shot he threw? Wilder didn't come close to landing 100 over the 12 rounds. He threw about 3 to 400 shots too. I've thrown away my numbers. But i can redo some of the rounds if you want just to show the hilarity of it.

Ok I will check this out soon. But already looks su****ious - you support Catterall and you clearly took punches off Taylor and then added punches on to Catteral! I would believe it more if you showed some punch stats from fights where you had to change the punch stats so that your guy clearly lost. It seems like your punch stats always support the guy you want to win...

Also given that Compubox figures don't even effect the result - seems unlikely they anyone would pay to alter them! When has a promoter ever talked about compubox figures?- it happens but very very rarely.

I actually just watched first round of Wilder/Fury 1 at half speed and it's pretty clear they didn't count a lot of both fighter's punches. Even watching the first minute Wilder lands about 4 punches (and they gave him 4 for the entire round). So I think it's just what they define as a punch that is confusing you. They probably have a house definition. By "any punch that lands" I had it about 11/10 to Fury (they had it 6/4 to Fury). Seems legit to me. I would have (just) given that round to Fury. He was actually quite poor at distance but good when the fighters got close which surprised me tbh. Wilder was way better at a distance - the actual boxing part

Also it felt like I was wasting my life doing this. Why or how you would do it is beyond me. To be 100% accurate I would have kept replaying certain parts. Because it's not always clear from certain angles (e.g. behind a fighter) if a punch lands or misses.

[Sparktrek]

I know Bob has to protect his fighter but that was a ridiculous rant. You can argue that Taylor won a round or two more than the official scores but to say he won was laughable. I scored it 117-111 with no favorite going in.

[Sid-Knee]

Well what are your genuine punch figures then?? If they are wrong you need to show your figures. I do doubt that people would be paying huge amounts of money for Compubox's services if they are wrong. Why aren't they paying for your services instead??

You are missing the point with Wilder - it doesn't matter if he missed 100 times - If he landed 100 other times. You demonstrated my point precisely there. Making a fighter miss doesn't get you points by itself - but fans think it does because it looks good.

The first 3 rounds, these are the overall punch stats they put out...

RD 1) Taylor 6, Catterall 10.
RD 2) Taylor 12, Catterall 11.
RD 3) Taylor 11, Catterall 11.

The actual punch stats are...

RD 1) Taylor 2, Catterall 10.
RD 2) Taylor 4, Catterall 13.
RD 3) Taylor 5, Catterall 12.

Taylor's numbers are pumped up, whereas Catterall's numbers in 2 of those rounds are dropped.

This was DAZN too where Catterall is their guy. If you want them where they're grotesque and absolutely corrupt, you want to look at TopRank. They're the worst. The guy they want to win has their numbers increased. The guy they want to lose has theirs decreased. PBC and GoldenBoy do the same. But TopRank is by far the absolute worse.

Where Wilder is concerned, do you really think he landed with every other shot he threw? Wilder didn't come close to landing 100 over the 12 rounds. He threw about 3 to 400 shots too. I've thrown away my numbers. But i can redo some of the rounds if you want just to show the hilarity of it.