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  • PittyPat
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    Originally posted by famicommander View Post
    Again, Rahman knocked out Lennox Lewis. McCall knocked out Lennox Lewis. Douglas knocked out Tyson. Brewster knocked out Klitschko. Ruiz knocked out Joshua. Ali lost to Neon Leon Spinks.
    Those guys in bold I didn't disagree with. I fully agree with you on their upset-making capabilities.

    But with the ones I highlighted (mainly the non-spectacular eastern Euros from about 15yrs ago), I just don't see them being the ones to upset someone as technically sound as Usyk, or someone as dazzling as Ali, or someone as ferocious as Tyson. Actually, I'd favour them more to upset Fury because he's always performed so inconsistently and only seems to rise to the level of his opponent.

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  • famicommander
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    Originally posted by PittyPat View Post

    Not bashing your post, but I heavily question the rationale of – specifically – Ibragimov, John Ruiz, Peter, Stiverne, Maskaev, Valuev, and Chagaev as HWs that would inflict a loss on ATGs/HOFs like Louis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, prime Foreman, or late-80s Tyson. They weren't that good.
    Again, Rahman knocked out Lennox Lewis. McCall knocked out Lennox Lewis. Douglas knocked out Tyson. Brewster knocked out Klitschko. Ruiz knocked out Joshua. Ali lost to Neon Leon Spinks.

    At the top level anybody can lose on any night. The guys you mentioned would all be underdogs but if you face enough top level heavyweights in a row you're bound to lose to one of them, and it might not be one you'd expect. John Ruiz was awkward as hell, Valuev ****** but you can't teach somebody to be 7 feet tall, Chagaev was nothing special but he was a tricky southpaw and that's uncommon at heavyweight.
    Last edited by famicommander; 05-23-2024, 12:24 PM.

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  • PittyPat
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    Originally posted by famicommander View Post
    I don't care what fighter you want to pick, saying anybody could go all the way back to 1987 Tyson unscathed is crazy. Every heavyweight in history takes at least one L fighting the best versions of Lewis, both Klitschkos, Holyfield, Bowe, Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Rahman, Brewster, Byrd, Briggs, Valuev, J. Ruiz, A. Ruiz, Peter, Sanders, Haye, Ibragimov, Stiverne, Parker, Moorer, old Foreman, heavyweight RJJ, Mercer, McCall, Chagaev, Maskaev, etc.

    Could Usyk beat any one of those guys on any given night? Absolutely. But on any given night Hasim Rahman can also knock out Lennox Lewis, Lamon Brewster can knock out Wladimir Klitschko, Buster Douglas can knock out Mike Tyson, Andy Ruiz can knock out Anthony Joshua. Styles make fights and if you fight enough top level dudes, you'll find one that has your number or simply gets lucky on his best night.
    Not bashing your post, but I heavily question the rationale of – specifically – Ibragimov, John Ruiz, Peter, Stiverne, Maskaev, Valuev, and Chagaev as HWs that would inflict a loss on ATGs/HOFs like Louis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, prime Foreman, or late-80s Tyson. They weren't that good.

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  • landotter
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    Originally posted by P to the J View Post

    I was one of the few! Wish I’d screenshotted now but in 2018 I said this man would clear the HW division and only a cpl agreed with me
    He was my P4P #1 coming out of the CW division. And while I was very unimpressed with his first 2 bouts at HW (thought he played things very safe), I picked him in every fight. I always said until someone beats him I do not think anyone can. So, you get props from me.
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  • TernceBudCharlo
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    Usyk is a true all time great and an absolute privilege to watch. We all should feel very fortunate to live in an era where you have fighters like Usyk, Bud, Inoue, who take on all the biggest challenges in front of them and rise to the occasion every time.

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  • JakeTheBoxer
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    For some reason I want him to fight Parker before he retires.

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  • 57Blues
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    Originally posted by A.B Counterhooks View Post

    The man unified 2 division fighting the very best available, 1st undisputed HW in history and all this being UNDEFEATED...what a ride indeed!
    The online noise of a rematch in October ? What do you think on that info if it turns out to be true ? Pluses and minus and all that....... I say a bit more time before the second round even if it comes at some exspense in the pocket or the shift in popular vote so to speak.....

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  • A.B Counterhooks
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    Originally posted by 57Blues View Post

    when he first moved up to HW i never thought it would accelerate to what he and it has become. Few predicted this if any but what a ride it has been. Now what comes next who will step into it next .....
    The man unified 2 division fighting the very best available, 1st undisputed HW in history and all this being UNDEFEATED...what a ride indeed!

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  • P to the J
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    Originally posted by 57Blues View Post

    when he first moved up to HW i never thought it would accelerate to what he and it has become. Few predicted this if any but what a ride it has been. Now what comes next who will step into it next .....
    I was one of the few! Wish I’d screenshotted now but in 2018 I said this man would clear the HW division and only a cpl agreed with me
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  • 57Blues
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    Originally posted by A.B Counterhooks View Post
    Yeap, Usyk is an ATG and possibly one if not the best of his generation.
    when he first moved up to HW i never thought it would accelerate to what he and it has become. Few predicted this if any but what a ride it has been. Now what comes next who will step into it next .....
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