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  • MulaKO
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    Originally posted by H8boxxing View Post

    Haney was weight drained at 135. At 140 he has more pop and Ryan fights with his chin in the air. Haney will be landing all night long. Maybe a KO is optimistic but it’s still a real possibility. I have no faith in Ryan’s jaw and toughness.
    And the fact he rehydrates to 165 fughin pounds
    That is more pop guaranteed

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  • H8boxxing
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    Originally posted by SSDineff View Post

    Haney has boxing skills that always got him the W, but power is not his cup of coffee. I think he can't crack even a nut, not to mention someone's chin. Still my money are on Devin.
    Haney was weight drained at 135. At 140 he has more pop and Ryan fights with his chin in the air. Haney will be landing all night long. Maybe a KO is optimistic but it’s still a real possibility. I have no faith in Ryan’s jaw and toughness.

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  • PRINCEKOOL
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    One of the reason's why Haney has been very effective with his style, thus-far in his career against the opponents he has fought. 'Is because there are not many fighters, in the boxing divisions he is fighting at? Who have ether dealt with the African American slick style'.

    Devin Haney's African American fighting style ability, is overrated 'When you compare him to fighters from past era's, who also fought with a African American slick style'.

    But the level of Haney's slickness, has still been far too much 'For these Conventional fighters, or the text book fundamental Eastern European boxers'.

    Note: If you was to compare Devin Haney skill for skill with Floyd Mayweather Junior, Pernell Whitaker, Bernard Hopkins, James Toney 'I don't think Haney, has the same level of slickness game as those fighters in multiple area's of his game'.

    Zab Judah at his peak skill for skill, was superior to Devin Haney in certain area's of his game 'Judah would be a extremely tough fight for most of the 140 to 147 pound fighters active today'.

    Garcia's style of fighting, is heavily reliant in him using his combination punch ability and power. Garcia has not really shown a high level of slickness, or text book fundamental game.

    So this leaves Garcia in a bit of a middle ground vs a fighter like Devin Haney 'Ether Garcia applies serious pressure to Haney, looks to inflict his power and combination punching. If Garcia can make Haney fight in area's where the competition will be close the two fighters, then this will increase the chances of Garcia winning rounds and landing his power'.

    But If Garcia struggles to gain any real traction with his offense, then most likely? He will be out competed from mid to long range by Haney 'Drop rounds consistently and be out scored'.

    Devin Haney commented in the build up to this fight, that 'Garcia's boxing skills have not really improved much from the Amateur ranks'.

    For me personally? I think boxers should make a decision early on in their careers 'Maybe when they realize, they are not quite the same level of fighter as a Prince Naseem Hamed, Roy Jones Junior, James Toney a Bernard Hopkins in terms of slickness and overall athleticism.

    Fighters in that moment, have got to make a decision 'To hammer and master the basics of boxing to a extreme level'. A recent fighter who approached the sport of boxing in this manner, was Anthony Joshua'.

    Joshua started boxing late, and most likely made the decision to just 'Hammer and master the basics of boxing. Build and mold himself into text book, fundamentally sound Heavyweight boxer, combined with his solid level of Athleticism and brute strength' Joshua has achieved a lot in the sport, with that methodology.

    When I look at a fighters like Garcia, it does not really look like 'He has made that decision early on in his career. Garcia knows he is a good athlete, who has serious power. Therefore he has decided to just embrace those aspects of his game predominately'.

    When we start talking about elite level Athleticism 'Athleticism at this level actually becomes a skill, it is not just a physical attribute' Athleticism is a skill, and one of the most important fundamental skills in all of sports'.

    When a fighter has speed, power and strength 'That does not automatically mean you have elite level athleticism. Athleticism becomes elite, when other related Athletic attributes such as Co-ordination, Dexterity, Agility, Spatial Awareness, all combine and function simultaneously'.

    The reason why I make this point, is because? When a fighter is not typically a slickness fighter 'They can still negate a slickness game fighter. With text book fundamentals, combined with Co-ordination, dexterity, agility, Spatial Awareness'.

    I just believe in his match up, Haney may be potentially out competing Garcia 'On three levels. Athleticism, Text Book skills, Fundamentals, and Slickness game'.

    Garcia may be superior to Haney with his power, brute strength and raw agility 'So therefore? If Garcia believes that Haney's boxing skills are overrated. Garcia must detect the area's where he is superior to Haney, and develop a tactical game plan for the fight'.

    I believe a solid game plan for Garcia, would be to fight in violent ambush styled attacks. This style of fighting would be embracing his power, raw agility and combination punching. Garcia should fight this fight at long range, in a instant initiate a ambushed style attack then move back out to long rang and beyond.

    If Garcia attempts to compete with Haney punch for punch, skill for skill 'And only work with single punches, or 1-2's. Then I don't think this is the best game plan for him' etc.



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  • SSDineff
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    Originally posted by H8boxxing View Post
    Haney by KO. Ryan is Khan 2.0 with half the talent.
    Haney has boxing skills that always got him the W, but power is not his cup of coffee. I think he can't crack even a nut, not to mention someone's chin. Still my money are on Devin.
    charliepaerker charliepaerker likes this.

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  • turnedup
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    This kid has and has had potential but he has always made it hard to argue on his behalf because his mouth destroys any argument that could ever be made for him. He’s got speed, he’s got the physical attributes to make a great fighter, he just lacks the mind and heart for it imho and he makes it glaringly obvious.

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  • -Kev-
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    I agree.

    Haney is on and off.

    Looked great vs Prograis, looked like sh-“/t vs Loma, looked great against Kambosos, looked like sh/t and got touched up vs Jo Diaz, looked good vs Linares til 1 single punch.

    He’s due to look like sh/t again but idk if mentally broken Ry will make him do that:

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  • Cyborg Fangerloo
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    Double knock out!!!!

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  • Eff Pandas
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    Hes been competing with Alex Jones for conspiracy theory fans during his training camp for this fight. He shouldn't be surprised by this take.

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  • Bullrider
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    Originally posted by Jamtime69 View Post
    Damn! The hate for Ryan Garcia. I think it's overboard!
    He brought this upon himself and he's feeling the heat. This fight is his chance to redeem himself.
    charliepaerker charliepaerker likes this.

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  • Jamtime69
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    Damn! The hate for Ryan Garcia. I think it's overboard! Especially, his last fight against Tank! That man got caught by a paralyzing body shot directly to his liver. No fighter is going to be able to get right up from that! He's been labeled a quitter after that! Well! I'll say this! At least he's the only one who is willing to fight the so called elite talents! I wish the other ones would do so! There are a whole lot of great fights that could be made, but haven't, because these guys refuse to fight! Just a lot of talking! For that, I say thank you Ryan Garcia! Canelo Alvarez, if you're the face of boxing, be the face and fight your competition! David Benavidez is a fight that must be made! Do it!

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