Comments Thread For: Canelo: 'We'll See If It's True That I've Lost A Step' Against Charlo

[JakeTheBoxer]

Canelo, you are a super middleweight. If you can`t stop 154 guy , you should retire. Yesterday.

I don`t know if you lost your step, but I now for sure you lost all self confidence.

You are obviously very happy Bivol rematch won`t happen. ( you didn`t want it anyway).

[SUBZER0ED]

It's more about all the sh.it he talked about people having to EARN the fight with him yet he fights Mell who's been out for over a year? Nah, fcuk that

We all know that Red doesn't want a fight where he's not the favorite to win. I hope 'Mell upsets him.

[boxingitis]

I severely dislike Cleneloterol because he's a cherry-picking cheater, that is correct. If you like that, there is something wrong with you.

So you must HATE many boxers. I don't like that either, but I don't hate him.
It's like me hating Conor Benn, Dilan Whyte, Tyson Fury, Alicia Bum Gardener.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Nothing you wrote here responds to the points I made in my post. You claimed Benavidez did nothing to earn the shot and I explained why that claim is laughable. He fought the best fight in the division available, yet you seem to think he needs to be becoming mandatory in every sanctioning body which is laughable and probably never happened before.

He didn't fight the best fight. If he actually wants the Canelo fight, he needs a mandatory path in an organization that actually enforces it. He could have done that with the Plant fight by petitioning the IBF to make it a title eliminator. They likely would have because he was an interim champ with one of the other organizations, which are ranked above their own contenders for the purposes of unification, and Plant was the former IBF champ. But he didn't do that. If he had, he'd been in line for the IBF shot, and they DO enforce their rules. He could have fought Ryder for the WBO shot. He chose not to do that. WBO enforces their rules, as evidenced by Canelo having to fight Ryder. He could have taken the fight with Morrell his own father said he had a contract for. He didn't do that.

If you actually want a fight, you take the path that leads to it. He's taking the path that doesn't guarantee you a shot at the title, in which the champion literally has, built into the rules, a path to pay a fee to defer the mandatory. You need to get off Benavidez and start asking yourself why he keeps choosing the path that doesn't go anywhere. He just wants to bleat about Canelo, but he isn't due anything, and won't be until the WBA AND IBF are satisfied, and even then he can't enforce anything because he's with the WBC path.

If you don't get it, you're either choosing not to understand the rules, or you're just that dumb. Either way, I'm not going to respond to you further.

[Oracle01]

He didn't fight the best fight. If he actually wants the Canelo fight, he needs a mandatory path in an organization that actually enforces it. He could have done that with the Plant fight by petitioning the IBF to make it a title eliminator. They likely would have because he was an interim champ with one of the other organizations, which are ranked above their own contenders for the purposes of unification, and Plant was the former IBF champ. But he didn't do that. If he had, he'd been in line for the IBF shot, and they DO enforce their rules. He could have fought Ryder for the WBO shot. He chose not to do that. WBO enforces their rules, as evidenced by Canelo having to fight Ryder. He could have taken the fight with Morrell his own father said he had a contract for. He didn't do that.

If you actually want a fight, you take the path that leads to it. He's taking the path that doesn't guarantee you a shot at the title, in which the champion literally has, built into the rules, a path to pay a fee to defer the mandatory. You need to get off Benavidez and start asking yourself why he keeps choosing the path that doesn't go anywhere. He just wants to bleat about Canelo, but he isn't due anything, and won't be until the WBA AND IBF are satisfied, and even then he can't enforce anything because he's with the WBC path.

If you don't get it, you're either choosing not to understand the rules, or you're just that dumb. Either way, I'm not going to respond to you further.

You seem to be thinking the only way you can earn a fight is to become an ordered mandatory. Canelo disagrees with you, when he demanded Benavidez fight someone good, to earn the fight. He did that yet Canelo still wont be say he wants to fight him. Won't even say the words!. Khan, Chavez jnr, Mell, Mall, Bivol were not mandatories yet somehow earned the fight which means there are other ways that Canelo thinks you can earn the fight rather than just mandatory.

Its clear the bodies, won't order any fights against Canelo, Ryder was not even ordered, the fight happened because Canelo wanted the cherry pick. Even if its ordered Canelo will make another excuse and drop the belt like he did vs GGG. Stop making bad excuses.

[factsarenice]

Plant is a mover too. And Canelo is a primarily a counterpuncher. That's a great style for a come forward fighter like Benavidez. Benavidez needs to be able to get off his combos, and if he's getting cracked when he does, it's not going to look like his usual fight. Think about why it didn't work on Bivol. It's not because Bivol is a mover. It's because he has elite timing and ring awareness. He was able to blind Canelo and Zurdo both with a quick off tempo combo any time he got near the ropes, and he was able to fight on the front foot against both of them at times too. Very different style from Andrade or Benavidez.

I see what you are saying about countering Benavidez and yes, Benavidez's style may be too much for Andrade and not for Canelo. That said, I think Andrade is the more difficult fight for Canelo because his jab is long and he punches from awkward angles so he's never where
you think he should be. When he bends and throws that long overhand power shot he Kind of reminds me of Dmitry Pirog catching the more conventionally sound Danny Jacobs.

Why do you think that happened in #2?

It looked to me like Jermell caught Brian Castano with a counter inside.

Wasn't Canelo's fault. JERMALL Charlo was the one who's pulled out last minute. And Charlo is bigger than Canelo. It's amazing he can boil down to 154. It's also not Canelo's fault that the WBC and WBA are terrible about enforcing their own rules. They're like that with many other boxers as well.

First, choosing to fight JERMALL Charlo was a straight up cherry pick. Nothing noble about picking a mentally unstable middle weight that hasn't fought in over two years. Jamell Charlo may be taller than Canelo but Sabastian Fundura is taller and smaller than both, height means nothing. Your right about Charlo boiling down but that's what saves him in close fights at 154. At any weight above 154 Charlo has no advantage, he's technically sound but not special and it shows. Unfortunately I think Errol Spence may have the same problem for the same reason.

Personally I do think it's a bit su****ious that NONE of the Reynoso guys have looked good since they all got busted for PEDs. Canelo hasn't gotten a stoppage in 3 fights and looked flat, hasn't been able to use the head movement that characterized a lot of his earlier fights that got him where he is now. Valdez has flat out struggled in every fight since then. Martinez got beat down by Chocolatito and then struggled in his last two fights against basic competition. And Reynoso hasn't been able to give his fighters any adjustments to make when the game plans didn't work out. I don't like to make accusations without evidence, but that's a heck of a pattern. 9 fights across 3 fighters that they just don't look like themselves.

As for Reynoso, I believe a lot of his stable cycles, I always have. The money side lets you pick from a list of opponents and pick dates and that makes cycling easy and impossible to catch. I have friends that that take PEDs, some admit it, I never did. It's not uncommon to go to the local food store and see 65 year old shopping that's in better shape than he ever was at 25, it's painfully obvious. I try not to think too much about PEDs because if I did, I'd have to admit that most of the elite are doping.

Now that we are on the other side of Canelo vs Charlo, I wasn't impressed, it was easy for Canelo to look like a beast while throwing punches full force because nothing was coming back. Personally, I didn't see anything different about Canelo, the same guy that fought Rider against a guy that came to collect a check.

[crimsonfalcon07]

You might be right against Benavidez but here's the thing, Benavidez's style may be too much for Andrade and not for Canelo, true. That said, I think Andrade is the more difficult fight for Canelo because his jab is long and he punches from awkward angles so he's never where
he should be and that makes him hard to catch. When he bends and throws that long overhand power shot he Kind of reminds me of Dmitry Pirog catching the more fundamentally sound Danny Jacobs.



It looked to me like Jermel caught Castino with a counter inside.




First, choosing to fight JERMALL Charlo was a straight up cherry pick. Nothing noble about picking a mentally unstable middle weight that hasn't fought in over two years.



Your right about Charlo boiling down but that's what saves him in close fights. At any weight above 154 Charlo has no advantage, he's technically sound but not special and it shows. Unfortunately I think Errol Spence may have the same problem for the same reason.

Now that we are on the other side of Canelo vs Charlo, I wasn't impressed, it was easy for Canelo to look like a beast while throwing punches full force because nothing was coming back. Personally, I didn't see anything different about Canelo, the same guy that fought Rider against a guy that came to collect a check. As for Reynoso, I believe a lot of his stable cycles, I always have. The money side lets you pick from a list of opponents and dates and that makes cycling easy and impossible to catch. I have friends that that take PEDs, some admit it, I never did. It's not uncommon to go to the local food store and see 65 year old shopping that's in better shape than he ever was at 25, it's painfully obvious. I try not to think too much about PEDs because if I did, I'd have to admit that most of the elite are doping.

I could see Andrade being a harder fight for Canelo. He's a hard guy to look good against, but he also hasn't fought anyone. I don't think he's ever beaten a real world champion. Jack Culcay might be the best name on his resume, and he ducked Lara for that fight. He's not a champ any more because he ran from his mandatory. A guy like that is barely a resume builder.

I didn't really care about Canelo fighting Mall because I've thought Mall was overrated the whole time. His best wins are what, Austin Trout and J-Rock? Gatekeeper Dereyvanchenko, who even lost to Munguía? Canelo didn't force Jermall to sit out for years either. Jermall is to blame for a Charlo fight of any kind being a cherry pick. If he'd fought decent opponents and stayed active, nobody would be saying he was a crappy cherry pick, and remember people were hating on Canelo for not fighting him.

I agree that Canelo has certainly lost a step. All the elements that really put him on top, like head movement, feints, and combos, are all missing from his current style. He doesn't look like a world beater, although I still think Benavidez will have a bad time fighting him because the styles are all wrong.

[factsarenice]

I could see Andrade being a harder fight for Canelo. He's a hard guy to look good against, but he also hasn't fought anyone. I don't think he's ever beaten a real world champion. Jack Culcay might be the best name on his resume, and he ducked Lara for that fight. He's not a champ any more because he ran from his mandatory. A guy like that is barely a resume builder.

I didn't really care about Canelo fighting Mall because I've thought Mall was overrated the whole time. His best wins are what, Austin Trout and J-Rock? Gatekeeper Dereyvanchenko, who even lost to Munguía? Canelo didn't force Jermall to sit out for years either. Jermall is to blame for a Charlo fight of any kind being a cherry pick. If he'd fought decent opponents and stayed active, nobody would be saying he was a crappy cherry pick, and remember people were hating on Canelo for not fighting him.

I agree that Canelo has certainly lost a step. All the elements that really put him on top, like head movement, feints, and combos, are all missing from his current style. He doesn't look like a world beater, although I still think Benavidez will have a bad time fighting him because the styles are all wrong.

I could be wrong but I think Benavidez vs Andrade is a good fight and if his power carries it's going to be more difficult than expected. If I'm wrong and Andrade isn't what I think I'll be the first to admit it.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I could be wrong but I think Benavidez vs Andrade is a good fight and if his power carries it's going to be more difficult than expected. If I'm wrong and Andrade isn't what I think I'll be the first to admit it.

I'm not trying to say he's not potentially really good, but the issue is that we just don't know what we have because he's never faced top competition of any sort. That being said, ducking the higher level fights that came his way to fight lesser competition doesn't speak well. So take it as more of a "I don't know if he's good yet." Will be a good test for both of them.

[factsarenice]

I'm not trying to say he's not potentially really good, but the issue is that we just don't know what we have because he's never faced top competition of any sort. That being said, ducking the higher level fights that came his way to fight lesser competition doesn't speak well. So take it as more of a "I don't know if he's good yet." Will be a good test for both of them.

Andrade is jumping up to fight the boogieman, the one guy that Canelo won't fight at 168lbs. More importantly, Andrade believes he's the better fighter and Benavidez has to win to get the big money fights. I give both guys mad respect for making the fight.