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  • denium
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    Originally posted by Toffee View Post

    I'm sure you're being tongue in cheek, but he might be able to afford that with Schwarz, Wallin, even Wilder for whom there was such a vast skill gap... but talent won't be solely enough at this kind of level.

    And I still think it's 50/50 which Fury shows up. Always has been right through his career and through to his late career. Now you throw retirement talk into the mix too.
    Wilder would knock Usyk and Joshua clean out. I'd even give Wallin a good shout of beating AJ.

    Fury always shows up when he needs to.

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  • Toffee
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    Originally posted by denium View Post

    The thing is, Fury is so talented, he doesn't even need to be at 100% to beat these guys.

    Fury could do barely any training and he'd still knock Joshua and Usyk out.
    I'm sure you're being tongue in cheek, but he might be able to afford that with Schwarz, Wallin, even Wilder for whom there was such a vast skill gap... but talent won't be solely enough at this kind of level.

    And I still think it's 50/50 which Fury shows up. Always has been right through his career and through to his late career. Now you throw retirement talk into the mix too.

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  • denium
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    Originally posted by Toffee View Post

    Is he though?

    Since his comeback...

    Wilder 1 - Yes
    Schwarz - Who knows, such a weak opponent it hardly mattered
    Wallin - Definitely not, that was a terrible night
    Wilder 2 - Yes, possibly the best Fury
    Wilder 3 - No, out of shape and being caught by a limited fighter
    Whyte - Yes

    And now he's retired, or at least talking about it.

    That's not a consistent and focused fighter. That's the same basket case he always was - with the benefit of having multiple fights against the worst reigning heavyweight champion I can remember.
    The thing is, Fury is so talented, he doesn't even need to be at 100% to beat these guys.

    Fury could do barely any training and he'd still knock Joshua and Usyk out.

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  • denium
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    Originally posted by PrimadonnaKool View Post

    Fury is a gifted eccentric, you are never going to get Wladamir klitschko level dedication out of him.

    The difference now is Fury is big money and there's too many people around him for him to go into a fight underprepared or in a state. Hence they postponed Wilder 3 because he was going to lose to Wilder unless he got in better shape, and they got him onto good enough shape to win, albeit with some issues.
    Fury hiring George Lockhart was one of the best decisions he's ever made.

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  • denium
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    Originally posted by Outwest Exp 355 View Post
    That fight was years ago. Fury’s better and more focused than he’s ever been. That fight has no bearing on the outcome of a future fight with Usyk.
    Correct.

    People bring up the Cunningham fight to have a go at Fury, but Steve looked really good that night, and the worst version of Fury still left him in a twitching heap on the floor.

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  • PrimadonnaKool
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    Originally posted by Toffee View Post

    Is he though?

    Since his comeback...

    Wilder 1 - Yes
    Schwarz - Who knows, such a weak opponent it hardly mattered
    Wallin - Definitely not, that was a terrible night
    Wilder 2 - Yes, possibly the best Fury
    Wilder 3 - No, out of shape and being caught by a limited fighter
    Whyte - Yes

    And now he's retired, or at least talking about it.

    That's not a consistent and focused fighter. That's the same basket case he always was - with the benefit of having multiple fights against the worst reigning heavyweight champion I can remember.
    Fury is a gifted eccentric, you are never going to get Wladamir klitschko level dedication out of him.

    The difference now is Fury is big money and there's too many people around him for him to go into a fight underprepared or in a state. Hence they postponed Wilder 3 because he was going to lose to Wilder unless he got in better shape, and they got him onto good enough shape to win, albeit with some issues.

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  • Toffee
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    Originally posted by Outwest Exp 355 View Post
    That fight was years ago. Fury’s better and more focused than he’s ever been. That fight has no bearing on the outcome of a future fight with Usyk.
    Is he though?

    Since his comeback...

    Wilder 1 - Yes
    Schwarz - Who knows, such a weak opponent it hardly mattered
    Wallin - Definitely not, that was a terrible night
    Wilder 2 - Yes, possibly the best Fury
    Wilder 3 - No, out of shape and being caught by a limited fighter
    Whyte - Yes

    And now he's retired, or at least talking about it.

    That's not a consistent and focused fighter. That's the same basket case he always was - with the benefit of having multiple fights against the worst reigning heavyweight champion I can remember.
    dannnnn dannnnn likes this.

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  • -Kev-
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    A lot goes into a bad performance. Inexperience at that level, bad training camp (including overlooking an opponent AKA Ruiz vs AJ II), injuries, age and wear and tear, lack of confidence due to recently bad performances.

    When you examine what could have gone wrong for Fury in the Cunningham fight, it’s safe to eliminate age and wear and tear. I also am not aware of any injuries Fury was battling going into that fight. It’s very possible that Fury’s issue was that he may have overlooked the former Cruiserweight, combined with Fury’s inexperience vs top level boxers.

    With that said, if a fighter looks at the Cunningham fight to formulate a plan to beat Fury, they will end up looking like a jackass.

    It’s like a fighter reviewing the Mayweather-Castillo fight, where Mayweather had an injured shoulder, to form a gameplan around that performance by Mayweather.

    Tyson Fury could show 10 different performances, just like any other fighter. Really, no two performances are alike. Fury adapts to his opponent’s style which is why he’s so good for his size. It’s not like Usyk would go in there to fight Nikolai Valuev. We’re talking about an agile big man who can adapt and is way more experienced today.

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  • Outwest Exp 355
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    That fight was years ago. Fury’s better and more focused than he’s ever been. That fight has no bearing on the outcome of a future fight with Usyk.

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  • Fury v Cunningham, Usyk, and why most of you don't understand boxing.

    First of all, not a fury fan, clearly.

    But I keep seeing this **** take that "well fury struggled with Cunningham so he can never beat Usyk"

    Statements like this totally expose the lack of knowledge in here.

    Fury vs Cunningham is actually BAD NEWS for Usyk.

    Fury did struggle a bit with Cunningham in the early rounds, as he tried to box him (similar to AJ against Usyk)

    But after about 5 rounds Fury realized, fugg it this isn't the right approach, let me just get close to this guy and big man him

    Cunningham then wilts, exceptionally fast, and ends up ko'd for the first (only?) time in his career.

    Cunningham vs Fury taught fury how NOT to box Usyk, and how to box him.




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