Comments Thread For: Andy Ruiz Could See Joshua Getting Revenge on Usyk in Saudi Arabia

[Toffee]

Have you even watched the first fight?
Your comparing Martin to Usyk?? Mexican butterbean to Usyk??

I've rewatched a couple of times now & the gulf in speed, timing & movement gets wider every time i watch. Aj has only ever looked good against shot 38-41 year olds (4of6) & its no coincidence the last 2 he boxed of his own generation both beat him.

AJ's only relevant through rematchroom paperwork & has ducked or blocked undesputed 3 times! Since 18

I just have rewatched it - it's a brilliant fight. Usyk was a clear winner, but only because it wasn't that hard to score the rounds and he brought it home in the last four rounds.

Joshua was absolutely in that fight, and it was a really high level fight. I had him losing the first 3 pretty comfortably before winning 4 of the next 5. He went to the lead right and he had all the momentum before Usyk closed it out. Even then the last few rounds were competitive and great to watch.

I thought the first fight was a 50/50 when know nothings on here were adamant Usyk couldn't win (more to denigrate a potential Joshua win than anything else I suspect).

This time I've got Usyk favourite but Joshua is a live chance. He doesn't need to maul Usyk but he does need to avoid getting ****** into a move, jab and counter contest. He loses that type of contest easily, as he did in the first three rounds of the first fight.

After those three rounds it was close. Based on the first fight you could argue it will be closer from the start this time, unless Usyk has more tricks up his sleeve. It's those tricks that are the reason I favour Usyk. But we'll see.

[PrimadonnaKool]

It's become a myth that Usyk dominated for the entire 12 rounds and it was a one sided fight.

It only became a one sided fight in the last 2 rounds, up to then, Usyk was shading it, he was 5-4 or 6-3 up going in to round 10 and it was still a winnable fight for Joshua at that point.

However AJ gassed out to such a degree he was unable to stand for several minutes post fight, Usyk tried to ko the gassed Joshua but failed, mostly missing while a knackered AJ slid on the ropes.

Usyk himself said it wasn't an easy fight and that after the fight he fell asleep sitting up eating food at a table!

Point is, can Joshua win the rematch, yes.

Usyk is deserved favourite, he performed better in the first fight, but if Joshua can fix a couple of things and make some slight tactical adjustments then he can make the fight even closer and possibly win.

It's competitive.

[PrimadonnaKool]

People talk about the Chisora fight like it's some sort of blueprint for beating Usyk, but it's still worth remembering that was early on in his heavyweight rise. Putting on extra weight takes a toll on the joints and movement, and makes it much harder to work head movement and complicated footwork.

It takes about 6 months to even start to see progress being able to move it about, and a couple years to really get used to carrying the extra weight. Not as big of a deal coming up in the lower weight classes until you reach your natural weight class, but a big deal if you're fighting above your natural weight class, and a bigger deal in the wide spread of heavyweight. If you watch the fights vs Chisora and then Joshua, you'll see a distinct difference in head movement, feints, explosive entries and exits, and just straight activity. I also don't think Joshua has a "go to war" mentality. X-factor is how the actual war will affect Usyk. May work either for or against him. I suspect people don't give Usyk enough credit. He's won every title in enemy territory, after all.

There is always an excuse for everything with usyk

"he lost the rounds on purpose"

"he needed time to be used to being heavier"

"the war made him depressed"

The truth of the Chisora fight, is that Usyk had no answers for a 250lb man marauding into him with heavy pressure and rough house tactics.

Usyk is a pretty, amateur style fighter. He's not built for that sort of stuff.

Fortunately Chisora is a 6 round fighter at most these days, as seen vs Pulev, Parker, Usyk etc, in all these fights its the same, Chisora is nearly 40 and he only has a few good rounds in him now.

Usyk didn't really look much better than 40 year old Pulev did against chisora.

He is fortunate Chisora wasn't 3 or 4 years younger and had another couple of rounds of pressure in him, or the heavyweight dream would have ended there.

That's the reality.

[crimsonfalcon07]

There is always an excuse for everything with usyk

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blah blah blah.

Nothing in here is responsive to the points made. It's just unsubstantiated opinion which you're masquerading as fact. You want reality? It's fact that he didn't move, feint, throw jabs, etc as much in the Chisora fight as he did in the Joshua fight. He was conserving energy more. Those are the textbook answers to a bigger man trying to bully: interrupt the attacks before they begin with hand, turn them constantly every time they try to set their feet, and use feints and angles to keep the mental pressure on, even when you're on the back foot. Anyone paying attention knows that Usyk has those tools in the toolbox, since he demonstrates them in every fight. But he wasn't able to use them as much in the Chisora fight, and it wasn't because of what Chisora was doing because there were plenty of opportunities for Usyk to use those tools when he just didn't, because it takes energy.

It's just fact that it takes a long time to get used to weight. It's fact that he's won every title in the road, and it's fact that he still beat Chisora. No fighter just bulldozes everyone in every fight. Not sure what you have against Usyk, but if you think your commentary resembles reality in any way, you've got a line on the really good stuff, if you know what I mean.

[REDEEMER]

I like both AJ and Usyk but ''I feel'' AJ is too robotic and can be gassed.
Ruiz should not comment on matters like this.
He had his chance and couldn't see into the future.

Any fighter who’s been in with someone and twice would have a far better understanding about them wheather they won or lost . Ruiz took huge punches in both fights he knows himself a motivated A.J is a very dangerous one as does Joyce who warned everyone fighting an angry A.J is a big mistake a few years ago . Now the Usyk fight isn’t personal but if A.J comes in with that chip on his shoulder I really don’t see Usyk winning at all ,in fact I’ll say it again I could just about guarantee A.J wins this one .

[PrimadonnaKool]

blah blah blah.

Nothing in here is responsive to the points made. It's just unsubstantiated opinion which you're masquerading as fact. You want reality? It's fact that he didn't move, feint, throw jabs, etc as much in the Chisora fight as he did in the Joshua fight. He was conserving energy more. Those are the textbook answers to a bigger man trying to bully: interrupt the attacks before they begin with hand, turn them constantly every time they try to set their feet, and use feints and angles to keep the mental pressure on, even when you're on the back foot. Anyone paying attention knows that Usyk has those tools in the toolbox, since he demonstrates them in every fight. But he wasn't able to use them as much in the Chisora fight, and it wasn't because of what Chisora was doing because there were plenty of opportunities for Usyk to use those tools when he just didn't, because it takes energy.

It's just fact that it takes a long time to get used to weight. It's fact that he's won every title in the road, and it's fact that he still beat Chisora. No fighter just bulldozes everyone in every fight. Not sure what you have against Usyk, but if you think your commentary resembles reality in any way, you've got a line on the really good stuff, if you know what I mean.

I don't need to make a detailed analysis of every one of your excuses.

You know you are a fanboy when you make excuses, not for a fighter losing a fight, but for losing ROUNDS.

No fighter Is perfect, Usyk has flaws, and he's just as beatable as his mini clone lomachenko, one day he will lose, and you should emotionally prepare yourself for that day.

[BodyBagz]

Any fighter who’s been in with someone and twice would have a far better understanding about them wheather they won or lost . Ruiz took huge punches in both fights he knows himself a motivated A.J is a very dangerous one as does Joyce who warned everyone fighting an angry A.J is a big mistake a few years ago . Now the Usyk fight isn’t personal but if A.J comes in with that chip on his shoulder I really don’t see Usyk winning at all ,in fact I’ll say it again I could just about guarantee A.J wins this one .

Unless the win was a fluke, Ruiz AJ 1, the winner will do better in a rematch.
The winner knows what the loser will need to do in order to get revenge.
The winner will only have to tweak a few things and not give that guy chances at a Hail Mary.
Usyk is no fluke regardless of how many times people regurgitate ''life and death with Del Boy !''