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Why Do People In The UK Like Anthony Joshua so much more than Fury?

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  • #91
    Originally posted by Smash View Post

    u have no clue about travellers thats clear, they are all middle class LOL

    aj is the posh boy trying to be tough but hes not, u the clown here
    You Africans are some of the thickest people I've ever encountered.

    Narrative to an African is GREATER than reality. SMH

    I've got more important things to do - you're a ffcking brick wall and a complete helmet.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by KingGilgamesh View Post
      Its complicated.

      Joshua was more popular for vast chunk of their recent careers. Kinda justifiably so. He was active, competed in the olympics, didn't get banned for Nandrolone, etc.

      At the same time, I always feel the UK struggles to embrace more talented fighters if they're more "problematic". Lewis similarly didn't do much to ingratiate himself with the public and thus was largely treated with less affection than Bruno, his inferior rival. To most genuine fight fans, Fury has always, ALWAYS been considered the better boxer. I've not met a single guy in any gym who would have put AJ over him, even before his wins over Wilder.

      Then again, you also have British politics which has further complicated things. Fury wasn't really all that popular back in 2016 with his comments on gays and women. If you check out his infamous Channel 4 interviews, you can clearly a lot of the discourse being around how much of a wanker he is. Problem is, the UK has been steadily shifting increasingly to the right for the past decade. Whilst the conservative government has been in power since 2010, it was mostly governed by Teresa May/Cameron types...centre righties. That took a MAJOR shift once Brexit happened. The government started pandering to the right and, in turn, guys like Fury turned from beligerant drug cheats, to downtrodden working class "men of the people". Just read the comments about him in the Daily Mail and its kinda incredible how public opinion has turned so swiftly. You then add Joshua comments during the 2020 BLM protests and I think it was pretty much a wrap for his mainstream popularity outside of young millennial/urban boxing fans.

      I think Fury has captured the public imagination of the UK for the forseeable future. I suspect his next PPV will likely outsell Joshua's. Whether that becomes a permanent fixture is yet to be seen. After all, you're only one bad performance from the proverbial dustheap. One thing that is interesting though, is that I think the fairweather white racists have definitely found a new god in Fury. Whilst I often remember a lot of white viewers clinging to eastern european "great white hopes", EE's for the large part have too big a cultural gulf to be considered ideological compatriots. Fury changes this now. I legit think he will become the new McGregor in the US at least.
      Great post. Thoroughly enjoyed reading that.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by BangEM View Post
        The comments on this thread are laughable.

        It’s either most of you started watching boxing in 2018 or you have complete amnesia.

        Fury was a boring (more boring than Rigo) and negative boxer with a big mouth. And his fights were a snore fest. Also, during his amateur days, he was a confused guy who couldn’t decide if he wanted to fight for GBR or Ireland. One minute he’s representing GBR, the next minute he’s representing Ireland. And he also did that a few times when he turned pro, especially when he ducked Pricey who’s a fan favourite due to his style with KOs and who won bronze for GBR at the Olympics.

        AJ on the other hand built his name from his amateur days due to his power. Fury also helped the AJ hype when he went live on radio with Steve Bounce as the British Champion in the pro ranks and talked about an amateur (AJ) in Team GB that beat him in sparring. And winning gold at the London Olympics kind of created the nucleus of his fan base. When AJ turned pro - there were doubts about him if he would become the next Lennox or Pricey/Audley Harrison. However, he came into the pro ranks knocking everyone out and his fights were exciting to watch unlike the boring Fury. The ladies also loved him. AJ turned into a megastar the night he beat Wlad. Most didn’t give him a chance because he was still a novice but he earned everyone’s respect the way he did it by getting off the floor.

        Stop creating fantasies - it has nothing to do with Fury being a gypsy. With everything Fury has said, he ought to be hated but he has been given more passes than AJ would ever dream of.

        Fury isn’t the only gypsy boxer the U.K. has produced - there are tons of them. But it’s funny that Fury is the only one that gets the gypsy excuse.

        BJS is also a gypo - I guess people don’t like him because he’s gypsy and not because he’s a very boring/negative boxer with a big mouth like Fury.
        Thanks for the insight

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Noelanthony View Post

          In our world? what World do you think the guy that asked the question is from?
          Our meaning our, us, the humans. all of us. I included the guy asking

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Smash View Post

            no reason whatsoever lol, yeah ok tell that to all the gypsies, dont whine, its all in your imagination, nice one there

            did fury not make his money outside the uk? going to germany, going to the states etc, id say he did
            I am a gypsy, difference is I do not look like I fit in with the rest of society as irish travellers do.

            I am Romani, darker skinned than the irish travelers. Reason I bring this up is the word gypsy means different things to different people, in your case you are probably referring to the irish travelers, whereas many people in my community wouldn't even call them gypsies. I understand the word basically means someone living the traveller lifestyle, but I hope you understand my point, which two other people who I cannot remember made in these forums as well, which is how can anyone know you are a gypsy if you look exactly like everyone else?

            I look different than the majority of people around me, have I experienced discrimination? Yes, would I move away or constantly bring it up? No way. There is no way for me to move, Romani people are like the kurds, we have no homeland of our own.
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            • #96
              Originally posted by FinlandsFinest View Post

              Our meaning our, us, the humans. all of us. I included the guy asking
              I'm just playing
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              • #97
                Originally posted by RoadOfTheGypsy View Post
                I am a gypsy, difference is I do not look like I fit in with the rest of society as irish travellers do.

                I am Romani, darker skinned than the irish travelers. Reason I bring this up is the word gypsy means different things to different people, in your case you are probably referring to the irish travelers, whereas many people in my community wouldn't even call them gypsies. I understand the word basically means someone living the traveller lifestyle, but I hope you understand my point, which two other people who I cannot remember made in these forums as well, which is how can anyone know you are a gypsy if you look exactly like everyone else?

                I look different than the majority of people around me, have I experienced discrimination? Yes, would I move away or constantly bring it up? No way. There is no way for me to move, Romani people are like the kurds, we have no homeland of our own.
                Great post.

                I think people needs to start drawing a distinction. Fury is an Irish traveller who’s basically a Celt like most Irish and Scots and fits in perfectly in the society whilst enjoying the privileges that come with it.

                The guy has been trying to steal the Romani gypsy struggles whilst making a mockery of black American struggles and legends for an image - to create a narrative. He’s a con artist. It’s not shocking since he’s the only fella I know who can contradict himself within the same sentence.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by MikeyMike100 View Post
                  Im from America so please help me understand it.

                  I'm also from the US, but my guess is:

                  Prejudice against gypsies
                  he's a real one who speaks his kind, in today's soft PC world, that's frowned upon

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Smash View Post

                    u have no clue about travellers thats clear, they are all middle class LOL

                    aj is the posh boy trying to be tough but hes not, u the clown here
                    Fury had a more privileged upbringing, read some of his early interviews. He didn't even know a gypsy other than his family, he was raised in a nice house and went to a posh school. Joshua was raised on a council estate.

                    "We grew up in a posh area called Styal in Wilmslow, Cheshire," Tyson explains. "My dad provided us with a nice home. I was very privileged as a child.

                    "We weren’t around all the travellers on the sites. The only travellers we knew were our own family and cousins. The school I went to had 47 kids in it. It was a really posh primary school – Prince Charles even visited us. There was no racial prejudice or abuse or anything."


                    https://s.telegraph.co.uk/graphics/p...ght/index.html
                    Last edited by Robbie Barrett; 10-14-2021, 05:41 PM.
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                    • I'm in the UK, and I don't and never have. It's the casual (football fan base) that Joshua attracts (attracted) but their interest lowers with each defeat. A second Usyk loss will be the nail in the AJ coffin. Nash out.

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