There's no way Joshua could have taken that punishment

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Wilder has remarkable will power. It does seem like Fury also can take a smashing and keep in the fight. While I assume AJ is less willful I do like to look at history and what it tells us. Lennox Lewis seemed soft to many. He got starched and never seemed to have that extra gear. Yet when he fough Vitalie, Lewis (and Vitalie) showed some remarkable will power. Keeping in mind that Vitalie also was considered "soft" quitting on his stool against Byrd. Yet Vitalie and Lewis put on a real show regarding resolve... so you never know lol.

AJ might be "Fernando" you know the quiet docile bull who one day gets stung by a bee... and becomes the most viscious bull... Lol. Im kidding.

Lewis was rocked badly by Briggs early as well . Lewis changed to a click and hit fighter under Steward ,A.J rarely clinches and he gets more hate for not doing it but imagine if he did what the forum would be like now ?

Your post is correct 100% and a reminder the majority of the forum haven’t really watched 90”s boxing enough .

[The plunger man]

AJ got battered by smaller guys like Andy Ruiz and Usyk.

But you think Tyson Fury won't batter him?

Oh, and that Fury vs Joshua fight definitely didn't happen next. Have you admitted how wrong you were about that? Despite all your claims of being knowledgeable in legal matters?

size has nothing to do with in boxing....I think your a bit more wiser than that.
Usyk is a handful for anybody and yes small....but his small was bigger than Evander Holyfield , Mike Tyson etc
smaller guys are harder to beat because they are quicker , have quicker feet and more stamina.

fury was dropped a 200lb cruiserweight so what’s your point ......just move on and accept you never had a very good heavyweight who’s boxing fundamentals were appalling in every department except power and to be honest someone like you who has watched highly skilled fighters and acknowledged them is now trying to add wilder into that category........just use your eyes and watch wilder in the ring.

mark my words oleksander usyk is the bogey man of the division now and will be a nightmare for anybody who steps in the ring with him so if Joshua does manage to win the rematch which I think is a tough task it’s all the more impressive.

I would not be confident who ever was stepping in the ring with usyk as now I know what he is capable of and that’s coming from someone who picked the bigger man

Evander Holyfield was small but he took the baddest man on the planets soul and don’t be surprised if usyk does the same with this era.

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As far as clinching, there's clinching done just to prevent in-fighting.

And then there's clinching done to maul and manhandle and physically wear out the other man. Fury does this, and manages to throw short punches into the mix too.

It takes some piss and vinegar to weather that storm. Joshua doesn't have it in my opinion.

[billeau2]

Lewis was rocked badly by Briggs early as well . Lewis changed to a click and hit fighter under Steward ,A.J rarely clinches and he gets more hate for not doing it but imagine if he did what the forum would be like now ?

Your post is correct 100% and a reminder the majority of the forum haven’t really watched 90”s boxing enough .

Fighters sometimes have to evolve. With lewis he actually became a real "killa" towards the last part of his career. the Michael Grant fight for example.

[billeau2]

As far as clinching, there's clinching done just to prevent in-fighting.

And then there's clinching done to maul and manhandle and physically wear out the other man. Fury does this, and manages to throw short punches into the mix too.

It takes some piss and vinegar to weather that storm. Joshua doesn't have it in my opinion.

Fury fights in all ranges... Its a skill so lacking today in the division. I tend to think it has to do with Ammy training. But the distinction you mention is real.

[ShoulderRoll]

Fury fights in all ranges... Its a skill so lacking today in the division. I tend to think it has to do with Ammy training. But the distinction you mention is real.

Oh, he for sure fight in all ranges. Stayed on the outside against Klitschko.

But he has developed a nasty clinch game now.

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Fighters sometimes have to evolve. With lewis he actually became a real "killa" towards the last part of his career. the Michael Grant fight for example.

I’d have to say that was a very illegal blow he dealt Grant . But yea people are to critical because they haven’t watched boxing long enough . There was a guy named zeijko Mavrovic who no one ever heard of and gave Lewis fits ,he was a very skinny guy and much shorter then Lewis ,anyway Lewis couldn’t do much to him even though he clearly won the fight , many people in the magazines at that time were writing him off . Mavrovic actually fought recently on the Hrgovic last undercard but they didn’t show it ,he’s mid 50”s he got a quick win .

Taking on guys like Usyk is a penalty these days I guess if you don’t get the win ? How times have changed .

[kushking]

AJ gets a panicked look now any time he gets rocked, ever since the first Andy Ruiz fight.

The thing is its still hard to say whether Wilder would beat AJ, because while AJ got schooled by Usyk,Usyk might just be the current best hw,& while Wilder did take some big shots he has a history of looking like he wants to quit & stops throwing much after 1st half of the fight at most v elites(vs Ortiz he legit could've lost both fights for this reason)

When AJ was getting beat all over ring v Usyk he still was fighting like a normal fighter,Wilder was kd early again & aside from the kds he didn't truly do much fighting like a normal fighter,he gasses horribly & only has that moneyshot

When Fury got up 2nd time I told everyone I was watching with that Wilder would open up & go down for good because he has nothing left,& like clockwork boom

[DaNeutral.]

I dont believe Joshua could of taken that form of punishment Fury dished out and I very much doubt he could of shook off the shots Wilder landed on Fury in the 4th either.

But god damn he has tried to find out and both Wilder and Fury have had their chances to prove it and chose to not do it. Especially Wilder who has had many opportunities to sign up to a Joshua fight while team Fury and uncle Bob made no attempts to get out of their Wilder 3 contract when they could of and only pretended they wanted the Joshua fight and were cleared for it while they actually knew Wilder 3 would be next.

[snowdog]

Joshua would have been toast in round three. Even if he survived round three, like others have said, he would probably refuse to continue into round four.

We'll find out how he does against Fury at some point. Fury will fight and beat Whyte or Wallin next (probably Whyte), then the winner of Usyk vs Joshua (Usyk) and the inevitable rematch and then the loser of Usyk vs Joshua (Joshua).

Those are the next four fights that I can see for Fury, and I think he'll continue to fight after that too.

He'll eventually retire unbeaten, there's nobody in the division capable of beating him imo.