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This guy hit the nail on the head about what Fury was saying and how it's rubbish. I think people should have a listen. It starts at 10:53
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The most dangerous heavyweight is whoever Fury is fighting . The most dangerous heavyweight could have been Otto Wallin at the time he fought him ? The most dangerous can mean a lot of things though ,it could mean if you fight a puncher 10 times he could win one somewhere ? In Furys case it could be 3 times ?
The best heavyweights will be able to box , punch and not get befuddled by jabs . There’s several guys that you can actually make a case to potentially hand Fury a loss more then Wilder . A.J,Usyk , Hrgovic, Joyce ,DDD , Whyte even Wallin has showed this .
Yes anyone who hasn’t lost yet and having Wilder on his win column can say that as much as he likes ,but most those guys I named would defeat Wilder . Fighting the same guy over and over is what makes it dangerous because the odds start to narrow you will win again .Last edited by REDEEMER; 09-30-2021, 12:44 AM. -
Yeah. Well, I suppose. I think that's if all things stay "constant." So let's say you and I fight (and it could be either one of us), and I just start putting a beat down on you (or you me). And then we fight again. And again I win. And then I win again. And this whole time you are training like crazy to beat me. Doing things differently. But I just keep winning. It's going to have a psychological effect on you. You're going to really start doubting yourself. And when you get in the ring again, you're likely going to have hardly any confidence that you can beat me. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes if you get that first win on someone, it can have a huge effect. You don't just take away a win from that person; you take away their soul almost. Not always. But it's not like playing the odds. How you win and how you lose and how many times has a tremendous impact on subsequent fights. Fighting is 50 percent mental.
Also the video too was an attack on people bashing Joshua. There's a lot of the LDBC just attacking Joshua relentlessly. And this guy makes a brilliant argument. I'm not sure if you watched, but I highly recommend it. It's very good.Comment
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His power means hes always in the fight, but as an overall opponent its hard to gauge exactly where he fits in the division because him, Fury and Ortiz are in their own bubble not fighting the rest.Comment
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Boxing’s about slight adjustments. No one has ever defeated the same guy 3 times to my knowledge ? Wilder is fast and has a top right hand ,these two factors certainly back up what I’m saying because it will land in one of those fights and has before, the difference will be what angle it hits and when ,no one knows if it will or won’t get Fury out of there ? Will it land at all ? I’m favoring Fury but not nearly as much the first 2 times . I suspect if Wilder wins ,Fury be called a cheat and a bum ,this forum is hilariously filled with mental patients . When someone takes an L or a win the entire script is rewritten, seriously this forum has turned into a joker forum of sorts ?
A.J went from a top 3 to useless in a night . It’s like the posters didn’t learn their lesson with the Ruiz fight .and that never happened, meanwhile the overatted Cruiserweight became the number 2 boxer all of a sudden from the same posters .
Last edited by REDEEMER; 09-30-2021, 01:10 AM.Comment
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Yeah. Very true. It doesn't help in assessing where people stand when we don't have too many people to whom we can compare, fight wise, although Fury fought a good Klitschko, who had reined for years and years. Fury has fought some good opponents. But Ortiz was never a champ at anything. Not the olympics, pros, anything.
In another thread previously (unrelated to this, not even thinking about this) I had concluded that the two worst heavyweight champs in the last 50 years or more were Bermane Stiverne and Charles Martin. Wilder won the WBC from Stiverne and Joshua won the IBF of of Martin. Both became world champions by arguable beating the worst world champions in the history of modern boxing.
That kind of says something to me.Last edited by Cypocryphy; 09-30-2021, 03:27 AM.Comment
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He is very dangerous. He will nearly always be able to end it in 1 shot regardless of how a fight is going, you can relax in to a rhythm against him but you can never afford to mentally switch off for a second. If you can take the legs from him he seems quite impotent but that doesn't often happen. You can batter a guy senseless and not do it or you can catch him once in the perfect place and manage it.Comment
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LOLBoxing’s about slight adjustments. No one has ever defeated the same guy 3 times to my knowledge ? Wilder is fast and has a top right hand ,these two factors certainly back up what I’m saying because it will land in one of those fights and has before, the difference will be what angle it hits and when ,no one knows if it will or won’t get Fury out of there ? Will it land at all ? I’m favoring Fury but not nearly as much the first 2 times . I suspect if Wilder wins ,Fury be called a cheat and a bum ,this forum is hilariously filled with mental patients . When someone takes an L or a win the entire script is rewritten, seriously this forum has turned into a joker forum of sorts ?
A.J went from a top 3 to useless in a night . It’s like the posters didn’t learn their lesson with the Ruiz fight .and that never happened, meanwhile the overatted Cruiserweight became the number 2 boxer all of a sudden from the same posters . I know. From prince to pauper only to be crowned king the next day. Shi†s unreal
BTW: That example I gave about "taking the soul away" was just exaggerated to make a point. You can crush a person's spirit if you beat them badly enough, IMO.Last edited by Cypocryphy; 09-30-2021, 01:22 AM.Comment
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