The more I see Plant the more I think he probably outboxes Canelo

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  • HOF Hater
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    #71
    Originally posted by BoxingIsGreat

    I respect your opinion. I think Canelo is on another level. We can put some friendly points on it if you like. I see Canelo tee offing on Plant in less than 8 rounds.
    All of Plant's offense from his highlight video will NOT work against Canelo. In that highlight reel - versus absolute scrubs - Plant is basically having his way with his opponents, hands down and all. Canelo is a BETTER counter-puncher than Plant and has BETTER timing than Plant.

    Plant should do well in the first few rounds as Canelo takes his time and sets traps. Canelo will start landing to the body and chest which opens the head for mid-rounds.

    Plant will have some ready made excuses though, you can count on that. It's the PBC way XD XD XD

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    • Lupara
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      #72
      There's a thread like this every fight.

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        #73
        Originally posted by dan_cov
        If anything I strongly suspect Canelo will have a hard time hitting Plant who is bigger, longer, more athletic and controls range extremely well.

        I don't think he has feet or explosiveness too close the gap certainly not consistently. He'll just follow Plant around loading up severely telegraphed right hands at his arms like he did vs Smith or utilise a high guard and plod after him like he did Kovalev.
        I just feel he is too one-paced to get to Plant on a consistent basis
        I could see the fight being like that also but I absolutely canNOT see Plant having offensive success of his own besides a jab. Everyone has a jab against Canelo...he's short and has no reach. Any offense Plant creates become point of access for Canelo counters. And judging by his "highlight reel" Plant leaves himself gaping anytime he tries to punch.

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        • F l i c k e r
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          #74
          Originally posted by dan_cov
          I think its gone from Canelo struggling vs movers/slicksters being a touch overplayed too him being overrated vs them. Maybe not overrated but given the benefit of the doubt a bit too much.

          Plant is a better boxer from a technical standpoint at least, than BJS for example. BJS to me talented sure but for me he never really translated well to the pros despite achieving a fair amount. He is one of those that is very very good for the first four rounds after that he just losses the snap on his shots, looks laboured and just looks like your average run-of-the-mill southpaw. Double jab, double jab, double jab left hand zzz
          Basic.

          BJS appears slicker because he bends at the waist a lot, a bit more herky-jerky and fights with a bit more ''swag'' but I don't think he's as slick, as polished or fundamentally sound as Plant just more cagey/jittery,
          I'm not sure he is athletic either maybe on par for 4 or so rounds. That isn't to say I am 100% sold on Plants stamina I did think he faded in a few of his earlier fights notably against Uzcategui.
          The more I see Plant he more I am impressed. I think there are a lot of unknowns/questions but the more I see him the more he reminds me of Andre Ward, SMW Ward minus the inside fighting & roughhouse tactics. Not the visibly slower, less sharp LHW version. I don't think SMW Ward gets the credit he deserved, he was a beast at that weight.

          That is no gimme or easy fight for Canelo.

          Toughest fight for Canelo since Lara imo and I think he is actually a tougher fight than Beterbiev and Benavidez. They would try walk him down, you don't pressure a Mexican counter-puncher. Its like Marquez you go too him he will light your ass up.
          You box him, you make him lead and that is Plants MO.

          Plant has the tools to win this, skillwise, stylistically. He does a lot of what recent opposition have done well vs Canelo but better.
          He has a faster, sharper jab than GGG. He has the versatility and feints GGG lacks. The athleticism and defensive footwork to get back out of range with better glove positioning and reflexes.
          GGG just has a power jab. Just a hard thudding jab he really commits too, he steps in very hard with it. Plant can hook off the jab. He has a good stab-jab, sets it up well fakes it and will walk you onto the check hook and tie you up, classic Floyd. Constantly feinting with purpose now like these mimickers out there, these endless amount of copycats that are doing certain moves with no real purpose behind them.
          He's a good boxer, very educated lead hand. He might have the most educated left hand lead in boxing right now.

          I have Plant outboxing him. 116-112 type fight

          I'll go a step further and say I don't think Canelo has any real advantages apart from power, experience and probably the chin. Fundamentals, skills, Plant all day. He's a better boxer than Canelo, period.
          TLDR
          That's because you are seeing that Plant has the style to beat Canelo.

          But what you are not seeing is that Plant doesn't have the experience.

          Despite having the style to beat Canelo, Plant just has nothing of record to show that he would have the mettle to actually beat him. There's nothing there. No proof or evidence that he'd even be game.

          But Plant 100% has the style to beat him. More patient than Lara, lesser skill than Floyd but landing right in-between the two.

          It would be something for Plant to actually pull the upset though. It would be an upset for the history books like Douglas-Tyson.

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            #75
            Originally posted by Basco
            You are not going to beat Canelo with defense. You have to be a big puncher with high output volume. If you can't make him gun shy with power and big combinations, you will eventually get caught.
            - -Eliminating turnip greens from the menu...

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              #76
              Tougher than Beterbiev? Plant's only notable win is face first plodder Uzcategui and he looked like trash for much of that fight-- gassed and sloppy and getting tagged with flush shots a skilled fighter would slip-- and he didn't look at all impressive against an over the hill Truax either. He'll get laid out if he shows up looking like that.

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                #77
                I gave BJS a solid chance at the upset and I rate him higher than Plant. I’d love a good scrap but I think Canelo chops him in half.

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                • dan_cov
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                  #78
                  Plant might not have the experience at the top level but doesn't mean he can't perform there.
                  He had 90 amateur fights, 40 odd kickboxing bouts, 22 pro fights and is a total gym rat. I've never seen him not show up. I've seen him look a little one-paced but that is also on the opponents.

                  As for what does he do better than BJS
                  *Takes the sport seriously
                  *A more varied jab
                  *A great left hook
                  * He's a naturally big guy not a blown up chubby 154lber
                  *Stamina and composure while I do have questions its certainly no worse than BJs and he has kept it together from what I've seen when he did get tired. His technique didn't suffer, he didn't get sloppy and force his work and start leaning forwards throwing arm punches.
                  *Feint variety and the ability too slow fights down without resorting to excessive movement whether upper body or feet though he also has the ability to do both.
                  *Work rate and ability to maintain it
                  *More refined technique
                  *The ability to listen to his corner and follow instructions
                  *Higher ring I.Q
                  *More educated feet
                  *Reaction timing
                  *Accuracy/punch placement.

                  He's also a lot taller, longer, faster hands, crisper punches and can fight tall.

                  I didn't want to be a cop out and simply put everything but for me he really does.

                  BJS will either look back at his career and say I had a good career or be honest and add but what if I took the sport more serious? Probably wish he could do it all over again. Plant won't, that is a guy who is going to say I did everything I could, cut no corners and if I fell short it wasn't through a lack of trying.

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                  • BoxingIsGreat
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by dan_cov
                    Plant might not have the experience at the top level but doesn't mean he can't perform there.
                    He had 90 amateur fights, 40 odd kickboxing bouts, 22 pro fights and is a total gym rat. I've never seen him not show up. I've seen him look a little one-paced but that is also on the opponents.

                    As for what does he do better than BJS
                    *Takes the sport seriously
                    *A more varied jab
                    *A great left hook
                    * He's a naturally big guy not a blown up chubby 154lber
                    *Stamina and composure while I do have questions its certainly no worse than BJs and he has kept it together from what I've seen when he did get tired. His technique didn't suffer, he didn't get sloppy and force his work and start leaning forwards throwing arm punches.
                    *Feint variety and the ability too slow fights down without resorting to excessive movement whether upper body or feet though he also has the ability to do both.
                    *Work rate and ability to maintain it
                    *More refined technique
                    *The ability to listen to his corner and follow instructions
                    *Higher ring I.Q
                    *More educated feet
                    *Reaction timing
                    *Accuracy/punch placement.

                    He's also a lot taller, longer, faster hands, crisper punches and can fight tall.

                    I didn't want to be a cop out and simply put everything but for me he really does.

                    BJS will either look back at his career and say I had a good career or be honest and add but what if I took the sport more serious? Probably wish he could do it all over again. Plant won't, that is a guy who is going to say I did everything I could, cut no corners and if I fell short it wasn't through a lack of trying.
                    Plant is lucky to have a fan like you. I wouldn't be upset if everything aligned for him on fight night.

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                      #80
                      I really don’t get how anyone can watch Plant-Uzcategui, and then think Plant has a chance against Canelo

                      Plant needs to be a completely different fighter to win. It’s not impossible, but very close to being

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