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  • #11
    No More Ali Documentaries!

    Let's see one on Tex Cobb or Jerry Quarry or Shannon Briggs. Anyone else!!

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    • #12
      Originally posted by Monty Fisto View Post

      If someone was pushing total integration and total equality rather than division, wouldn't that be the actual way to destroy white christian culture? By definition, by singling out that you want to preserve white christian culture, you are pushing an intrinsically race-driven manifesto.

      You would struggle to find in American christian values anything congruent with the actual teachings of Jesus Christ that you will find in the gospels.

      Some teachings of Jesus:

      Judge not, that ye be judged.

      Don't pray in a church or in the street like hypocrites. When you pray, shut the door, and do it in secret.

      When you pray, don't repeat standard phrases. God knows what you need before you ask.

      You can't serve God and money.

      Don't worry about what you are going to drink or eat, God will provide.

      And this corker which I quote word for word from the King James Bible: "Think not that I am come to provide peace: I come not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

      Given this last one, if Ali was pushing an ideology of division, it seems in keeping with the direct teachings of Jesus Christ himself.
      like most illiterate morons, you are taking some quotes out of context and bastardizing others

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      • #13
        I'd prefer more Sugar Ray Robinson docs.

        Give me some Willie Pep, some Jack Dempsey.

        Joe Louis or Chappie Blackburn. Mix it up a little.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by sicko View Post
          Not sure if PBS was involved in the process of making this one BUT PBS makes some incredible documentaries that Jack Johnson one still probably the greatest one I've seen as far as Boxing Documentaries
          That was one of my favorites.

          And "The Fight," amazing documentary about the Louis vs. Schmeling rematch. Very well done, it came out in 2004 I believe.

          PBS makes great documentaries, I'm just not sure if I feel like watching another Ali documentary. Ali is like Tyson, the story of his life has been told like 1000 times already
          Last edited by Willy Wanker; 05-14-2021, 02:12 PM.
          sicko likes this.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by sicko View Post
            Not sure if PBS was involved in the process of making this one BUT PBS makes some incredible documentaries that Jack Johnson one still probably the greatest one I've seen as far as Boxing Documentaries
            ken burns baseball docu series is incredible as well. that was also pbs
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            • #16
              Are they gonna discuss his association with those that orchestrated Malcolm X’s murder? If not, I’m passing.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by buge View Post

                like most illiterate morons, you are taking some quotes out of context and bastardizing others
                If you don't like the substance of the argument, make your case, but spare me the name calling. It only serves to make it sound you don't have anything to offer. Most of the quotes are paraphrased to some degree but do not change the meaning and, for the most part, presented without comment. The final one was presented verbatim from the King James and if you think the context changes the meaning from being a message of turning x against y and so on, go ahead, I'm listening.

                BTW, illiterate doesn't mean what you evidently think it means.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by TinAgeOfBoxing View Post
                  The occult establishment like to promote this America hating, white hating, racist, christian hating, islamo fascist, sufi/occult muslim. Coincidentally those are all occult establishment objectives: destroy American values, white christian culture, push racism/divide and conquer and push islam. The black fighters of his day hated his guts like Joe Frazier and Sugar Ray Robinson they knew he sold his soul and was peddling hate.
                  all religion is bs. This includes christianity, islam, catholocism, judaism, etc.. Grow a pair of balls and learn to stand on your own without mythical fairy tales to keep you broke and controlled.

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                  • #19
                    I'm a big Ken Burns fan but Ali has been done to death.

                    Boring!!

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Monty Fisto View Post

                      If you don't like the substance of the argument, make your case, but spare me the name calling. It only serves to make it sound you don't have anything to offer. Most of the quotes are paraphrased to some degree but do not change the meaning and, for the most part, presented without comment. The final one was presented verbatim from the King James and if you think the context changes the meaning from being a message of turning x against y and so on, go ahead, I'm listening.

                      BTW, illiterate doesn't mean what you evidently think it means.
                      I said illiterate because you "paraphrase" instead of reading and posting the actual quotes. You presented some quotes which are commonly spouted by those who know nothing of the context around them.

                      Judge not lest you be judged for example, does not mean that people should not be corrected (even publicly if needed) when they are doing things morally unacceptable. The verse has also been taken to mean not to presume certain people are damned to hell - since that is the ultimate judgement. Context around the phrase shows that it is generally part of a discussion around treating others how you should want to be treated ... but you should want others to correct your own problems which could keep you from heaven. There are many verses around correcting others to save them. People commonly throw the phrase out there to try to stop such corrections.

                      Other meanings are just a google click away if you actually care to find them. There are many different purportedly Christain sects, but there is only one that has been around since Christ designated Peter as the first leader / Pope. Look to official Catholic teaching if you actually care to find truth instead of someone's opinion (including mine).

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